Full Termi exhaust install/ dyno result

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So I just picked my bike up from getting the full Termi exhaust installed and its like a total different beast. First off its a lot lighter and agile, feels like the full Termi system belongs on the bike, brakes a lot smoother and faster too. It's more choppy from takeoff but not noticeable if you've never rode with the stock system, 2nd gear hates the 5k rpm range it gets very jerky so it forces you to ride faster (always faster, never slower), same goes for 3rd and 6k rpm. But the power transfer is a night and day difference I'm going to have to get used to the bike again, its 10x more snappy throughout the entire powerband especially in 1st at 2-5k range, that being said I really can't see how someone would ride in 195hi with the full Termi exhaust.

We didn't install the provided db restrictor, looked like it would restrict the flow.

P.S I advise everyone to heat wrap that damn pipe
 

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CrazyDuc said:
Red is stock, blue is with the full term... gained 10hp to the tire:eek:
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Oh I understood the curve, and how much you lost in the midrange also. If you've compared the 1199 curves to other liter sportsbikes, it looks like a rocky ridge compared to the smooth, evenly climbing wave of a well designed motor/exhaust combination. Definitely something that could/should be improved upon.
 
JeffD said:
Oh I understood the curve, and how much you lost in the midrange also. If you've compared the 1199 curves to other liter sportsbikes, it looks like a rocky ridge compared to the smooth, evenly climbing wave of a well designed motor/exhaust combination. Definitely something that could/should be improved upon.
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I'm hoping someone comes out with an answer somewhere.
 
CrazyDuc said:
So I just picked my bike up from getting the full Termi exhaust installed and its like a total different beast. First off its a lot lighter and agile, feels like the full Termi system belongs on the bike, brakes a lot smoother and faster too.
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P.S I advise everyone to heat wrap that damn pipe
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this might be buying into the termi jello a bit much ? I dont think the termi upgrade has anything to do with the brakes. Now, if you're talking engine breaking - a very very small possibility, but even then, the termi exhaust isn't going to affect engine breaking in terms of quickness. .

Also, heat wrap really doesn't do too much for the bike. It's not just the heat from the exhaust that needs to be vacated.
 
CrazyDuc said:
Red is stock, blue is with the full term... gained 10hp to the tire:eek:
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Are you sure?

The red looks like Full Termi profile, the big dip is characteristic of the big bore pipe? The blue looks like stock.
 
anthem said:
this might be buying into the termi jello a bit much ? I dont think the termi upgrade has anything to do with the brakes. Now, if you're talking engine breaking - a very very small possibility, but even then, the termi exhaust isn't going to affect engine breaking in terms of quickness. .

Also, heat wrap really doesn't do too much for the bike. It's not just the heat from the exhaust that needs to be vacated.
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The AR pipe is lighter, more free flowing and engine braking hasn't changed at all.

I agree its not just the pipes that create the heat but interestingly the heatshield on mine is attached to the subframe and this seems to reduce heat.

I think the effect that the OP is feeling is the engine spinning up quicker - which is the result of a free flowing exhaust. I felt a similar thing when I took the stock headers off.
 
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WAfatboy said:
I think the effect that the OP is feeling is the engine spinning up quicker - which is the result of a free flowing exhaust. I felt a similar thing when I took the stock headers off.
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Or the placebo effect? I know after most mods I can "feel" some improvement! ;)
 
anthem said:
Also, heat wrap really doesn't do too much for the bike. It's not just the heat from the exhaust that needs to be vacated.
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Heat wrap tends to put additional heat stress on the covered areas by keeping it hotter, for longer. Depending on how it is wrapped it will create hot spots, hide developing cracks, and pit the finish. It also (obviously? :)) attracts water/condensation and oils and will lose efficiency over time. If an oil leak soaks an unseen part of the wrap it will increase the risk of fire. Heat wrap can also affect the tone of the exhaust by dampening the resonance frequencies.

In contrast, ceramic coating will protect the exhaust system and extend its life-cycle, while improving exhaust velocity/scavenging. The only real negatives compared with wrapping are cost, and if a crack develops you would need to get the whole part redone after welding (e.g. Mo $).
 
WAfatboy said:
Are you sure?

The red looks like Full Termi profile, the big dip is characteristic of the big bore pipe? The blue looks like stock.
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red is stock, at 5k the stock pipe has some bullcrap that closes for db quieting... (im no mechanic)
 
anthem said:
this might be buying into the termi jello a bit much ? I dont think the termi upgrade has anything to do with the brakes. Now, if you're talking engine breaking - a very very small possibility, but even then, the termi exhaust isn't going to affect engine breaking in terms of quickness. .

Also, heat wrap really doesn't do too much for the bike. It's not just the heat from the exhaust that needs to be vacated.
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Sorry for the confusion... The full system is lighter than the stock system therefore the bike handles better, brakes better. I'm sure any lighter system one was to install would have the same effects.
 
2013RedSabs said:
Heat wrap tends to put additional heat stress on the covered areas by keeping it hotter, for longer. Depending on how it is wrapped it will create hot spots, hide developing cracks, and pit the finish. It also (obviously? :)) attracts water/condensation and oils and will lose efficiency over time. If an oil leak soaks an unseen part of the wrap it will increase the risk of fire. Heat wrap can also affect the tone of the exhaust by dampening the resonance frequencies.

In contrast, ceramic coating will protect the exhaust system and extend its life-cycle, while improving exhaust velocity/scavenging. The only real negatives compared with wrapping are cost, and if a crack develops you would need to get the whole part redone after welding (e.g. Mo $).
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The mechanic at Leo Vince that installed the system informed me that heat wrapping a full titanium exhaust system would be bad, I thought about ceramic coating but didn't want to wait weeks for it to be finished, we only wrapped the loop part of the exhaust (header I believe) and left the rest untouched but thanks for the heads up I'll be on the look out for oil leaks.
 
CrazyDuc said:
The mechanic at Leo Vince that installed the system informed me that heat wrapping a full titanium exhaust system would be bad, I thought about ceramic coating but didn't want to wait weeks for it to be finished, we only wrapped the loop part of the exhaust (header I believe) and left the rest untouched but thanks for the heads up I'll be on the look out for oil leaks.
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indeed. i had tabs broken off under the heat wrap. (stock exhaust)
 

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