Homologation. Your R vs their R
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You can google the WSB rules for that. But far as I remember the engine cases, crank, pistons, cams and valvetrain must be the same. You can do a new swingsrm, radiators, seat, exhaust, rear sets, ECU and others. But they must be kit parts that are approved and for sale to private teams.
Thanks DC I have the 2018 FIM provisional tech manual but cannot seem to find anything for 2019. Also any idea what constitutes a "private team"? Is that you and I and 2 guys from Jiffy Lube or does that mean a Ducati sanctioned "satellite team. Thanks man.
If you have the 2018 FIM provisional tech rules from Regulations and documents: FIM Website you can just search for 2019 in the document, and there are several places where the rules are seperated into for 2018 and from 2019 onwards.
The 2019 rules in many places lowers the max prices for components and tightens the tolerances in weight, as I read the rules.
Also in regards to the clutch being wet or dry is covered in rule 2.4.8.13, which states the race bike must use the same (wet or dry) as homologated, so if the race team wants a dry clutch, the street version also needs a dry clutch.
The 2019 rules in many places lowers the max prices for components and tightens the tolerances in weight, as I read the rules.
Also in regards to the clutch being wet or dry is covered in rule 2.4.8.13, which states the race bike must use the same (wet or dry) as homologated, so if the race team wants a dry clutch, the street version also needs a dry clutch.
Does this same principle apply to the wings? In other words if the race team wants wings that means the street version also needs to have wings?
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It sure does. That is the whole point in the street R's wings.
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Yes , this is the reason for the dry clutch and wings.
in fact the wings don't even have to mount the exact same way so you will probably see the wsbk teams making them similar looking but more rigid mounting and IIRC the are allowed +- 5˚ of angle movement from the street bike
Thanks for the answer guys. Truth be told I already knew the answer, I was just asking for a friend
I didn't know however the last detailed part about the angle movement so double thanks!
I see you doing this more.. asking a question of which you know the answer..
i.e. should i buy a SL?
I see you doing this more.. asking a question of which you know the answer..
i.e. should i buy a SL?
LMAOOO damn you are good! Caught me red handed (pun intended)! Again!
Instead, this time it was with direction to the OP haha
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I’m so confused!!! I wish I knew more about this race stuff.. I can’t wait to try this bike out on the highway, should be able to wheelie in 2nd gear..Ed, How is my camel lined comfy seat coming along? Joking aside, The production bike is what it is because of what the Factory team wanted in WSBK.. The rules also state that what the WSBK team wants to race must be produced in at least 500 units to sell to the general public, hence why we now have the wings and the AWESOME dry clutch on the production stock bike for sale..I can answer any serious racing questions you want to know about?
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Don't forget that Kawasaki also has a new ZX-10RR on the way too, with a jacked up engine for WSB. If Rea gets it dialed in, watch out. In the old days of WSB, it really was nothing like the street version. You could change crank, pistons, cams and all kinds of things like bearings too. The race kit, had to be sold to the public.....but guess what?? Private teams were always told that it was on back order.....HRC and Suzuki did that quite a bit. In the AMA they did the same crap.....in fact Michael Jordan was told by Yosh that he could not afford the kit parts when he got mad that Suzuki never had them for him...imagine that!! After one Daytona race, the factory kit bike was claimed and the parts had to be removed.....I think it was Suzuki that pretty much destroyed the parts as they were taken off and handed over to the privateer that was willing to pay the claiming fee.
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Non profesional .
I'd base this off of history rather than track experience. so my opinion is:
It has some value in function but way more in psychological warfare.
I think it will be 90/10
10% function and 90% in the pilots head and in the heads of the competitors .
IMO if the wings were that dramatic of an affect they would have done much more radical changes to the bodywork a long time ago. It's obvious there is little to be gained past where we are in aerodynamics (at this moment in time). & they've been using wind tunnels forever. (years)
- there has to be a downside to the wings somewhere on the track.
-golf balls have dimples for a reason so someday golf balls might change But that day is not today.
if the opposite is true then you'd think ducati would be in a pickle because they'd have to put the least intrusive or aggressive wing on the bike they could because some riders cannot handle, do not like , or their riding style does not lend itself to the wings.
1. the wings help with lap times but only slightly
2. they do a .... ton of stuff but no one can agree on the amount of downforce needed so they put the least aggressive downforce on the bike to make homologation and they'll change through the years.
3. I like the wings , they look bad ass - wish they shot lasers out of the tips. like an x-wing fighter .
I'm somewhere in the mix of these three LOL
where is my coffee.
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