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After reading the Honda quotes it sounds like Dorna is only allowed to make decisions after they ask Honda for permission.- From Honda's perspective.
 
I thought the Open class was to eliminate the cost of electronics from the equation. Not necessarily make things cheaper. Ultimately the Open class is there to make racing more enjoyable as Dorna controls the ECU and the features therein so it can eliminate those features that detract from the racing.

Honda, and to a lesser extent Yamaha, in their paranoid Color War mentality, never even considered the idea that a manufacturer would give away it's precious, precious software for the benefits of more engines and fuel.

To me it simply shows Ducati wants to win, at whatever cost. They're there to race.
 
Eleven 99 said:
Seems like Honda management can't count laps or read rule books.
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it's an interesting move by Ducati...but I was under the impression much of Ducati's electronics were already managed by Magnetti Marelli, making the move a no-brainer.
 
Ducati electing to go Open is a fairly significant step forward in a direction the Japanese are reluctant to venture. Honda was most likely anticipating establishing a unified factory class front in attemp to resist the new rules, but having a factory team jump in so willingly and quickly obviously curtails those plans.
 
Just saying that this plays right in to DORNA's hands. They have been trying to get the factries to use a spec ECU and software for a long time. And this CRT/Opens class rule was probably meant as a transition towards that. The MSMA (and mainly Honda) has fought hard to keep developing their own software and ECU (or outsourcing it). And this step by Ducati kind of undermines Hondas position. They jumped ship, and Yamaha isn't that far off, which makes Honda kind of lonely now. And that makes them a bit.. let's say... annoyed... :D
 
I hate Honda with a passion!!

Honda's anger over Ducati slipping their factory bikes into a the "Open" designation of the MotoGP rules has caused MotoGP's sanctioning body to devise a brand new classification amidst an already complicated and confusing structure, beyond "Factory" or "Open", one called "Factory 2". The plan is that this new designation will debut at Qatar in just a few weeks.

Ducati's viewpoint in all of this is that they have done nothing wrong, that all of the MotoGP teams were ordered to choose either "Factory" or "Open", and they chose "Open".

European reports suggest that "Factory 2" is aimed at Ducati and perhaps the Forward Yamaha team.

Early reports suggest that "Open" teams who win one race or finish second twice or third three times will be designated "Factory 2" and will have their engine allotment fuel reduced in future races from 24 liters to 22.5, and their total season engine allocation reduced from twelve to nine engines.

With the Qatar MotoGP race just weeks away a major rule change like this gives critics of MotoGP's "rolling rulebook" much ammunition.

To over-rule the new classification all members of the MSMA (Ducati, Yamaha, Honda etc) would have to vote it down. This seems unlikely. Dorna seem assured that the "Factory 2" rule will pass given that they feel one of the manufacturers is on their side.

Thanks to the short-sightedness of the FIM--who are now basically powerless--Dorna are in total robber baron mode, with CEO Ezpeleta saying that Honda's dissatisfaction with the current rules and their threats to leave MotoGP for WSBK are meaningless, because "Dorna are there as well". He is doing all he can to force all of the factory teams into the "Open" designation with Dorna's software and ECU controlling the bikes.

Contractually the earliest that this could happen is 2016, but Ezplelta is pushing hard for "open" to be the class-wide designation in 2015.
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Honda have had too much influence in Moto GP for far too long. The uncontrolled development race is the reason that currently there are only 3 factory teams in Moto GP, something had to give eventually.

Dorna now controlling both Moto GP and WSBK means they now hold all the cards, making the sport financially viable to bring the other manufacturers back meant a control ECU was always going to be the future. My guess is Yamaha will follow Ducati into the open class. Honda will have to either follow eventually or quit. IMO it's an empty threat, they have a proud heritage & where else will they race?
 
Eleven 99 said:
I hate Honda with a passion!!
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Honda's anger over Ducati slipping their factory bikes into a the "Open" designation of the MotoGP rules has caused MotoGP's sanctioning body to devise a brand new classification amidst an already complicated and confusing structure, beyond "Factory" or "Open", one called "Factory 2". The plan is that this new designation will debut at Qatar in just a few weeks.

Ducati's viewpoint in all of this is that they have done nothing wrong, that all of the MotoGP teams were ordered to choose either "Factory" or "Open", and they chose "Open".

European reports suggest that "Factory 2" is aimed at Ducati and perhaps the Forward Yamaha team.

Early reports suggest that "Open" teams who win one race or finish second twice or third three times will be designated "Factory 2" and will have their engine allotment fuel reduced in future races from 24 liters to 22.5, and their total season engine allocation reduced from twelve to nine engines.

With the Qatar MotoGP race just weeks away a major rule change like this gives critics of MotoGP's "rolling rulebook" much ammunition.

To over-rule the new classification all members of the MSMA (Ducati, Yamaha, Honda etc) would have to vote it down. This seems unlikely. Dorna seem assured that the "Factory 2" rule will pass given that they feel one of the manufacturers is on their side.

Thanks to the short-sightedness of the FIM--who are now basically powerless--Dorna are in total robber baron mode, with CEO Ezpeleta saying that Honda's dissatisfaction with the current rules and their threats to leave MotoGP for WSBK are meaningless, because "Dorna are there as well". He is doing all he can to force all of the factory teams into the "Open" designation with Dorna's software and ECU controlling the bikes.

Contractually the earliest that this could happen is 2016, but Ezplelta is pushing hard for "open" to be the class-wide designation in 2015.
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Satirical? Or perhaps just an early April Fool's piece?
 
That will be unfortunate if it does indeed come to fruition. You hate to see parents reward their child's temper tantrum. To make yet another rule change as substantial as this with only weeks before the first race seems quite bizarre. What would happen if Ducati now elected to return to the Factory class, which they should certainly have the right to do at this point? I'd imagine that would be quite embarrassing for MotoGP administration and particularly detrimental to their hopes of eventually making a full transition into Open.
 
So if Dovi or Cruthlow are leading a race with a few laps to go, they will get a pit board that says "SLOW DOWN", with the fine print saying "or you'll lose 3 engines and 1.5 liters of fuel per race for the rest of the season....."

........ - They're trying to limit Ducati's success before there even has been any success! Guess that shows you how skeeert the Honda and Yamaha boys are! Going to be an interesting season for sure, I'll enjoy watching this year much more than the pasts several years.
 
It's the same way with WSBK. If at any time the a twin (Ducati) in the first two years of production is ahead by more than 5 points over a three race period they throw on the restrictions. If it wins a race in the first year, they throw on restrictions. If any other engine configuration is ahead, they remove the restrictions on the twins. If there are no restrictions left and the twin is still down, they have to get over it.
 
The new rule change for Ducati-open team... Isn't it just another way of cutting a struggeling Factory team (Ducati in this case) some slack. The same way as they did for Suzuki when they gave them some extra engines and stuff with some kind of fancy clause in the regulations that factory teams that hadn't scored a podium in the last three or four years was allowed three extra engines per season or whatever it was...

Honda wasn't complaining back then if I remember it correctly...

On the other hand, you don't have to wear a tin-foil hat to find signs of a conspiracy when Magneti Marelli realeases a new software for their "spec ECU" just in time for Ducati to switch over to the "open class". And a version title in that software has "factory Ducati" as a title...

Just a clever way for DORNA to drive for the spec ECU rule.. IMO
 
bwaide said:
It's the same way with WSBK. If at any time the a twin (Ducati) in the first two years of production is ahead by more than 5 points over a three race period they throw on the restrictions. If it wins a race in the first year, they throw on restrictions. If any other engine configuration is ahead, they remove the restrictions on the twins. If there are no restrictions left and the twin is still down, they have to get over it.
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This is what happens when you are allowed a capacity advantage. The twins with bigger engines rule was written for Ducati.
 
Macke said:
The new rule change for Ducati-open team... Isn't it just another way of cutting a struggeling Factory team (Ducati in this case) some slack. The same way as they did for Suzuki when they gave them some extra engines and stuff with some kind of fancy clause in the regulations that factory teams that hadn't scored a podium in the last three or four years was allowed three extra engines per season or whatever it was...

Honda wasn't complaining back then if I remember it correctly...

On the other hand, you don't have to wear a tin-foil hat to find signs of a conspiracy when Magneti Marelli realeases a new software for their "spec ECU" just in time for Ducati to switch over to the "open class". And a version title in that software has "factory Ducati" as a title...

Just a clever way for DORNA to drive for the spec ECU rule.. IMO
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Every manufacturer had the option of going to the Open class this year, not just Ducati. They're trying to make it look like Ducati is being given an unfair advantage when the same thing was offered to everybody!

Dorna never said manufacturers couldn't make recommendations or provide their input for the spec ECU. If a factory has code they want in the spec ECU and it works better than what's currently there. Dorna said they would review it and if it's truly better they would implement it. The thing is, everybody gets to use the update!
 

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