Honda CBR1000RR-R SP 2024 vs V4R 2023

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If you want a sexy street bike that you can tell people that’s it’s a track weapon you can do so credibly with the bike. But for die hard track guys, or a track only dedicated bike, it’s an almost silly option on all fronts, both on price and peak performance capabilities. I think there are very few riders that track a lot where the Ducati hits the sweet spot…it’s either way too much bike for track day guys that are at the slower end of A group and below…or not enough bike compared to the competition for the fastest track day riders. If you are one of those few that are right in the middle between being genuinely fast at track but not quite there yet…and you have a good amount of disposable income so it doesn’t matter to you that you can get the same performance for half the price elsewhere…well in that narrow band of consumers it’s a great option.

Nice passage but totally pointless if you never been at Euro days.

Come to any of Rehm racing days at Misano, A1 or Mugello - its full of Ducatis running 1-2 seconds off CIV/IDM pace.

But thats not even the point. I know guys who buy SBK Ducati bikes, they are top 20% of A group but they just enjoy riding such a great machine.

SBK Honda ? meh, just another soulless jap bike.
 
The akra is 1/4 to a1/3 of the bikes cost on a Panigale, its one of my few gripes about the brand, It's just not good value.
 
The akra is 1/4 to a1/3 of the bikes cost on a Panigale, its one of my few gripes about the brand, It's just not good value.

You have to look at the package as a whole.

I already posted this in another thread, but if you're serious about trackday riding (or amateur style racing), on BMW or Honda platforms you would have to spend 5-6k extra on ECU and loom to get to the same level of V4S with DTC EVO3. Or like the case with BMW, opt out for a hacky solution - RS2E (it works great, but you are out of warranty as they flash original ECU).

Or the braking system. On Honda - you want to replace it all. On V4S - Stylema/MC are amazing - and can easily get you decent times in vicinity of pro-riders.


Basically each brand positions their bike slightly differently and they are not head to head comparable.
 
You have to look at the package as a whole.

I already posted this in another thread, but if you're serious about trackday riding (or amateur style racing), on BMW or Honda platforms you would have to spend 5-6k extra on ECU and loom to get to the same level of V4S with DTC EVO3. Or like the case with BMW, opt out for a hacky solution - RS2E (it works great, but you are out of warranty as they flash original ECU).

Or the braking system. On Honda - you want to replace it all. On V4S - Stylema/MC are amazing - and can easily get you decent times in vicinity of pro-riders.


Basically each brand positions their bike slightly differently and they are not head to head comparable.
True, but you’re already paying a lot more for a V4S over the Fireblade SP. The price of the exhaust cannot really be justified. With Honda you’d get the ECU, loom and Akrapovic for somewhere around the same price as you’d pay just for the DP Akrapovic.

Why would you want to replace all of the brake setup on the Honda? The Fireblade SP has a Brembo setup with Stylema R calipers. The V4S has no advantage there.
 
How's the honda in terms of built quality, underneath the fairings? I was quite shocked (that's an understatement) when I took the fairing of my ninja off the first time. As a German by DNA and former ferrari owner I had my doubts about Italian craftsmanship but can't say ANYTHING negative about the panigale!
Is the Honda build in Japan or SEA somewhere?
 

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