Honda CBR1000RR-R SP 2024 vs V4R 2023

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Lots of good posts since mine. I will add this. I had a 1299 and wanted the latest. Ordered an Akra kit from overseas and it came with the thumbdrive. Have a good relationship with the dealer and they uploaded the Duc Perf Tune. Down the road I wanted the slide control functions that came from EVO but I had switched to the BT Moto tune. They convinced me their tune was gtg. I installed the BT Moto Stage II and can confirm I was leaving marks off the apex like a pro and not spending time doing superman off the bars. I wonder where they go the tuning from? $375 as a repeat customer as I had a left of Dimsport.

If I went with a Duc V4, I would find the cheapest race exhaust I could find and install a BT Moto tune... Lets call it $2k and done, maybe even a used exhaust. I installed BT Moto on my Honda and even with the TC set to 5 I was finding myself bucking off the seat and NOT leaving marks in a different place. BT Moto was great on my 1299, run it on my SFV4, its tolerable on the Honda but allows me to run first world gearing and tires.

My .02, until Duc came out with EVO and slide control, none of them were near Aprilia with the APRC algo's. Heck, Motorrad only figured out lean angle TC and slide control in like 2023 or something. I like the Duc and Honda chassis, but the RSV4 was still one of my favorites. Torque and great software that kept a new guy alive for two seasons. My best friend has a 23 RSV4 with the Gabro tune and tbh, for a $20k bike it is a fricken blast. Not a single problem with that bike and probably 50 track days, 5000ish track miles.
 
Some extremely fast riders here have commented on their feedback with both bikes, so I feel my opinion is little bit more personal preference and single sided since I haven't tried the RR-R.
So far I've done 8 track days on my 24 V4R, which replaced my 23 V4S. Before that 21 R1, 20 S1000RR. Also done 2 days on the 24 S1000RR at Most (Czech Republic). I installed the Termignoni Wsbk style exhaust, and flashed my ECU with the T800 device included with the exhaust purchase ($3500). The exhaust made a huge difference with the T800, since the bike comes with a heavily restricted map from factory, especially the US version. I also did Z04 Brembo pads. My only plan to upgrade bike is just changing the master cylinder, which I had on my V4S. ($695)
I always believed the R was a gimmick replica for Ducati to charge extra, especially comparing spec sheets with V4S or other bikes.
Then one day, I was at the dealership for something else, and saw the V4R and decided to sit on it. The second I shook the bike underneath me, I felt a huge weight difference. On spec sheet, the V4S and V4R have only 5 lbs difference, but in real life it feels completely different. A collector purchased it, sold it back to the dealership with 100 miles on it. I ended up getting a crazy deal on it and pulled the trigger. Once I did the break-in and put the exhaust, it turned into a beast. But a different kind of beast, because of the powerband and advanced electronics. The V4R is so easy to ride fast. In corners or transitions, the power is very gentle unlike the V4S that wants to beat you up the second you twist the throttle. For those car folks, it's like having a smooth NA engine vs crazy turbo engine. For me, the V4R always feels confidence inspiring, the DTC and rest of the slide controls doing a predictable job. For me, the closest competitor I've tried has been the 24 S1000RR, a bike I quickly felt home and I was able to push to a decent pace even though it was a rental. The BMW is a fast machine, and I think the performance / value $$$ is impossible to beat. It's not sexy like a Ducati, it doesn't sound as good and build quality doesn't feel exotic. Also the S1000RR electronics feel less sophisticated, too much or early throttle can result in high side . It does the job though, just without the soul.
I am an A group rider, but I have very little racing experience. Like I mentioned in the beginning, my talent is not as good as some faster riders that have previously commented. They might be getting something out of the Honda or another brand with custom settings etc., I put it on DTC 3 and ride it all day at the track. I prefer the simplicity over the complicated adjustability.
I'm kind of done trying these other brand adventures. The 2025 V4S looks interesting with e-cbs, and even more advanced electronics. I'm curious to try that and the 2026 V4R.
 
mayhan1980 said:
Some extremely fast riders here have commented on their feedback with both bikes, so I feel my opinion is little bit more personal preference and single sided since I haven't tried the RR-R.
So far I've done 8 track days on my 24 V4R, which replaced my 23 V4S. Before that 21 R1, 20 S1000RR. Also done 2 days on the 24 S1000RR at Most (Czech Republic). I installed the Termignoni Wsbk style exhaust, and flashed my ECU with the T800 device included with the exhaust purchase ($3500). The exhaust made a huge difference with the T800, since the bike comes with a heavily restricted map from factory, especially the US version. I also did Z04 Brembo pads. My only plan to upgrade bike is just changing the master cylinder, which I had on my V4S. ($695)
I always believed the R was a gimmick replica for Ducati to charge extra, especially comparing spec sheets with V4S or other bikes.
Then one day, I was at the dealership for something else, and saw the V4R and decided to sit on it. The second I shook the bike underneath me, I felt a huge weight difference. On spec sheet, the V4S and V4R have only 5 lbs difference, but in real life it feels completely different. A collector purchased it, sold it back to the dealership with 100 miles on it. I ended up getting a crazy deal on it and pulled the trigger. Once I did the break-in and put the exhaust, it turned into a beast. But a different kind of beast, because of the powerband and advanced electronics. The V4R is so easy to ride fast. In corners or transitions, the power is very gentle unlike the V4S that wants to beat you up the second you twist the throttle. For those car folks, it's like having a smooth NA engine vs crazy turbo engine. For me, the V4R always feels confidence inspiring, the DTC and rest of the slide controls doing a predictable job. For me, the closest competitor I've tried has been the 24 S1000RR, a bike I quickly felt home and I was able to push to a decent pace even though it was a rental. The BMW is a fast machine, and I think the performance / value $$$ is impossible to beat. It's not sexy like a Ducati, it doesn't sound as good and build quality doesn't feel exotic. Also the S1000RR electronics feel less sophisticated, too much or early throttle can result in high side . It does the job though, just without the soul.
I am an A group rider, but I have very little racing experience. Like I mentioned in the beginning, my talent is not as good as some faster riders that have previously commented. They might be getting something out of the Honda or another brand with custom settings etc., I put it on DTC 3 and ride it all day at the track. I prefer the simplicity over the complicated adjustability.
I'm kind of done trying these other brand adventures. The 2025 V4S looks interesting with e-cbs, and even more advanced electronics. I'm curious to try that and the 2026 V4R.
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I was surprised by how different the R felt to the normal V4.

Was that with Racing School Europe at Most?
 
panibadboy said:
This can easily be fixed by flashing RS2E or going Motec route.

But yes, Duc's EVO3 map is another level from stock BMW or Honda.
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I tried the EVO map with my 2019 V4S and didn't feel a huge difference at the track. I've been reluctant to try that again. Just like that, the carbon wheels didn't make a big difference for me.
 
spooky said:
I was surprised by how different the R felt to the normal V4.

Was that with Racing School Europe at Most?
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It was with Moto Racing School GMBH from Germany. Great organization, they have transponders on every bike and have strict lap time requirements for each group. I wish it was like that here in US.
 
mayhan1980 said:
It was with Moto Racing School GMBH from Germany. Great organization, they have transponders on every bike and have strict lap time requirements for each group. I wish it was like that here in US.
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Euro organisers are generally very good.
 

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