Motorcycle Deaths Fell after Mandatory Helmet Law Repeal

Motorcycle Deaths Fell after Mandatory Helmet Law Repeal::

https://fee.org/articles/motorcycle-deaths-fell-after-mandatory-helmet-law-repeal/

So, you gonna ride your Panigale without a helmet?

Why riding a motorcycle without a full face helmet is even allowed in the first place is beyond stupid. Any size motorbike should require a full face helmet. Even those stupid brain-buckets should be done away with.

I love my pretty face too much and I like having hair....and teeth.well a whole face rather. i think bicycling is too bad .... crazy. I mean riding ridiculous fast with road bikes. I can't do it. I'd rather jump out of a plane or mountain at that point. Which is on the bucket list hah

i would never advocate for anyone to ride with anything less than the very best full face helmet you could afford, but the data is interesting nonetheless. . .

Not really. Both sides using vague and meaningless statistics to support their own point of view.

Can we argue that people who don't wear helmet tend to ride more carefully and slower?

If i was riding without full gear, i max out at 5mph.

Joker1199 said:

Not really. Both sides using vague and meaningless statistics to support their own point of view.

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well as the old saying goes, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

i wouldn't say they are meaningless tho...

and vague isnt really accurate, given the actual #'s:

"In 2012, 129 people were killed in Michigan motorcycle accidents and 2,870 injured. Those numbers dropped to 128 and 2,497 respectively in 2013. In 2014, the most recent year for which data is available, 107 people were killed and 2,309 injured.

Between 2005 to 2011, while the helmet mandate was still in effect, an average of 114.2 people were killed each year in Michigan motorcycle accidents and 2,757.6 injured. The state police data shows no clear trend."

jyli19 said:

Can we argue that people who don't wear helmet tend to ride more carefully and slower?

If i was riding without full gear, i max out at 5mph.

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yeah that would be one takeaway for sure...

I Love road biking: 1" contact patch, 100psi, zero gear, helmet that weighs @5 grams. I'll be fine.


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VAST said:

well as the old saying goes, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."

i wouldn't say they are meaningless tho...

and vague isnt really accurate, given the actual #'s:

The state police data shows no clear trend."

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Kinda speaks for itself...

i remember in the first couple of years riding (pre-Panigale days) i rode about 80/20 helmet/no helmet. now that i ride 100% helmet i realize how stupid is was. no helmet law in my state.

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Kinda speaks for itself...

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well that part does speak for itself [the state police did not establish a clear trend, yet they did establish a trend nonetheless for years with mandatory helmet law vs no mandatory helmet law years], but the assumption was that as soon as the helmet laws were repealed motorcycle deaths and injuries would rise for obvious reasons. but they did not.

if you were to calculate standard deviation (i'm too lazy), then you'd see that on average the numbers didnt change much between helmets vs no helmets years and could even b construed as having fallen slightly (statistically insignificant actually) so as a whole this does establish a few interesting and you might say counter-intuitive trends.

the conclusion i would have made would be: repeal of mandatory helmet law showed no statistically significant increased risk in motorcycling death and injury - which in itself is rather surprising. but my agenda was never to discredit the first study which attempted to prove otherwise as per article.

if you wanted to get a more granular study and stats going, you'd group death and injury during no helmet law years where riders were wearing helmets at crash site vs riders that were not wearing helmets at crash site. i bet that would establish the obvious.

make sense?

Perfect sense. The first argument, by the surgeon who claimed deaths/injuries had increased, was (by his own admission) based on a different and limited data set. That's why I thought the stats were not very interesting. But I enjoyed the discussion. Thanks

Joker1199 said:

Perfect sense. The first argument, by the surgeon who claimed deaths/injuries had increased, was (by his own admission) based on a different and limited data set.

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other variables to consider: Michigan has a relatively short riding season, so if the weather for these 2 years was unusually inclement that'd also factor in. new rider registrations. middle-aged new riders. etc etc etc

the bottom line: mortality rate per mile traveled on a motorcycle is abysmal relative to a car and that number does get worse if one is not wearing proper gear...

VAST said:

other variables to consider: Michigan has a relatively short riding season, so if the weather for these 2 years was unusually inclement that'd also factor in. new rider registrations. middle-aged new riders. etc etc etc

the bottom line: mortality rate per mile traveled on a motorcycle is abysmal relative to a car and that number does get worse if one is not wearing proper gear...

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Yep thats what I was going to suggest, motorcycle sales are way down also the deer population is way down

plus Michigan is one state that on any given sunday over half the motorcycles are riding on dirt roads. there is a huge on/off road trail system and I'd bet if you are injured on one they consider it a motorcycle accident (by the time you get to hospital)

All the mandatory safety laws are doing two things, stripping away personal freedoms, and by passing natures law of natural selection.

centeroff said:

All the mandatory safety laws are doing two things, stripping away personal freedoms, and by passing natures law of natural selection.

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nanny state to debt-slave citizenry: let freedumb ring..

your also forgetting.
the introduction of ABS on pretty much all new motorcycles has greatly reduced accidents and deaths.

double0 said:

Why riding a motorcycle without a full face helmet is even allowed in the first place is beyond stupid. Any size motorbike should require a full face helmet. Even those stupid brain-buckets should be done away with.

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Meh, there doesn't need to be a law for every little thing. If someone is dumb enough to ride without gear, he should be free to do so.

Your line of thinking will lead to the eventual banning of motorcycles in general.

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double0 said:

Why riding a motorcycle is even allowed in the first place is beyond stupid. Any size motorbike should not be allowed. Even those stupid scooters should be done away with.

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