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I am finding that after every 1000 miles my oil level is down to the bottom part of the sight window... top it up to the level again and it drops again after those miles... no leaks that I can see ..so bike must be burning it... is this what you guys are finding also???:(
Bike has 3000+ miles..no obvious smoking..
 
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I think in 3800 miles I've had to add total maybe quarter to half a quart.
 
I am finding that after every 1000 miles my oil level is down to the bottom part of the sight window... top it up to the level again and it drops again after those miles... no leaks that I can see ..so bike must be burning it... is this what you guys are finding also???:(
Bike has 3000+ miles..no obvious smoking..

-- sounds perfectly normal to me - expect that the more you use the tach, the more oil it will use - worth every drop 1 !

-- top off the oil when you do air, clutch bleed, and wipe off your visor :)
 
I am finding that after every 1000 miles my oil level is down to the bottom part of the sight window... top it up to the level again and it drops again after those miles... no leaks that I can see ..so bike must be burning it... is this what you guys are finding also???:(
Bike has 3000+ miles..no obvious smoking..

How many miles have you done (total).
 
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Hi Stw,

On the face of it, your oil consumption appears to be within acceptable limits especially as you say that your not observing any smoking.
However i am sympathetic to your concernes as i personally would be looking for a solution if mine was using that much;)
I could give you a solution that you may not like but could help a long way.
So you are topping up about 250 Ml every 1600 Kms. Correct?
Before i proceed to offer an opinion, I have 2 questions for you, if you would be so kind. As i would like to help if i can:)

1 What oil are you running in your machine, and what is your top-up oil? (brand and grade)

2 What is your riding style? (please be honest)

Regards,
Brad
 
Hi Stw,

On the face of it, your oil consumption appears to be within acceptable limits especially as you say that your not observing any smoking.
However i am sympathetic to your concernes as i personally would be looking for a solution if mine was using that much;)
I could give you a solution that you may not like but could help a long way.
So you are topping up about 250 Ml every 1600 Kms. Correct?
Before i proceed to offer an opinion, I have 2 questions for you, if you would be so kind. As i would like to help if i can:)

1 What oil are you running in your machine, and what is your top-up oil? (brand and grade)

2 What is your riding style? (please be honest)

Regards,
Brad


No problems

I am using Motul 300v 15w50... both fitted and as a top up...

Riding style?? Well I am not babying it.. or thrashing it either.. I rarely hit the rev limiter but I am often doing 3 digits in 3rd/4th.. is that enough info??
 
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Stw,

Thanks for that:)

You are riding it somewhat agressively, which may account for some of your oil consumption. I suspect the oil might be part of the problem.
Seeing as you are nicely out of your initial run-in period, you can start to get adventurous with what you can try.

I wouild do the following.
First i would drop out the 15-50 300V Motul and change filter. Note:- (IMO there's nothing wrong with the 300V:)
Next put in some good quality 10w-40 i would recommend Amsoil MCF, or use Motul 7100 but not 300V, and go and ride it like you normally do, but with a view to developing more positive cylinder pressure in the middle gears (do you have many long and or steep hills? with more throttle position/agression or some 2 up riding if possible) Do this for the next 1000 Kms and go as hard as you dare/reasonably can. Keep an eye on, and note oil consumption over the 1000 Kms. Try not to chop the throttle closed on deceleration so as to create lots of negative cylinder pressure as this pulls oil up past the rings and spits it out the exhaust.
Alternately arrange to run it in harder on a reputable dyno w/shop.
This will give you the chance to have some serious pulls done in a shorter period of time and record power figures for reference.

Drop oil out and change filter.
Put in/change oil to some Motul 7100 15W-50 or Amsoil 20W-50. Keep the 300V for the track.
Monitor oil consumption every 1000 Kms and see how you go:)

What are your thoughts Stw?

Regards,
Brad
 
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No problems

I am using Motul 300v 15w50... both fitted and as a top up...

Riding style?? Well I am not babying it.. or thrashing it either.. I rarely hit the rev limiter but I am often doing 3 digits in 3rd/4th.. is that enough info??

I talked to my tech and he said that was normal for it to burn about a quart every 1000 miles, he confirmed it with the warranty rep too. As long as you don't see leaks you should be fine.
 
I talked to my tech and he said that was normal for it to burn about a quart every 1000 miles, he confirmed it with the warranty rep too. As long as you don't see leaks you should be fine.

That all sounds correct in that while it's not widely publicised, 1 Liter of oil in 1000Kms is generally deemed to be the upper limit of acceptable by manufacturers.
Whilst all engines use some oil. At the end of the day as long as the oil consumption is stable/consistant or declining, then that's a positive thing.
As long as its not getting worse;)

He's using less than 1liter/1000Kms so it could be argued that he's ok.
However, it would not be unreasonable to expect better than what he's currently got.
I get the impression he's not really happy with it.
I have seen/experienced instances where an engine was "an oil burner" and after a good flogging to the point where it was almost being abused:eek: it's oil consumption has been improved/settled down.

If Stw can improve it without doing any harm, then all power to him i say:)
Now is the time to act, before it becomes a permanent condition with this engine as he has this window of opportunity to exploit.

Regards,
Brad
 
That all sounds correct in that while it's not widely publicised, 1 Liter of oil in 1000Kms is generally deemed to be the upper limit of acceptable by manufacturers.
Whilst all engines use some oil. At the end of the day as long as the oil consumption is stable/consistant or declining, then that's a positive thing.
As long as its not getting worse;)

He's using less than 1liter/1000Kms so it could be argued that he's ok.
However, it would not be unreasonable to expect better than what he's currently got.
I get the impression he's not really happy with it.
I have seen/experienced instances where an engine was "an oil burner" and after a good flogging to the point where it was almost being abused:eek: it's oil consumption has been improved/settled down.

If Stw can improve it without doing any harm, then all power to him i say:)
Now is the time to act, before it becomes a permanent condition with this engine as he has this window of opportunity to exploit.

Regards,
Brad


Hey Brad

Thanks for your thorough and exhaustive response....

I am intrigued by your suggestions and I am more than game to try them.. You are right in that you say I am not totally happy that my engine appears to consume oil.. I am not devastated by it but having used the "hard" break in procedure I am a little disappointed by the dropping oil levels...

Back to your earlier response.. I live in Texas.. so long hills just aint gonna happen.. but Im interested in 2 points you make about this..

Firstly I do have a tendency to chop the throttle closed and I always thought this was a good thing in that it created pressure on the rings and that helps seat them and form a good seal.. now I am wondering...
secondly can you explain why you propose using a different grade of oil?? From pure ignorance I guess I do not get why this would be relevant???

Once again thanks for your input...this is not a huge issue for me but rightly or wrongly I have always felt that an engine that "burns" oil isnt a good engine...
 
Hey Brad

Thanks for your thorough and exhaustive response....

I am intrigued by your suggestions and I am more than game to try them.. You are right in that you say I am not totally happy that my engine appears to consume oil.. I am not devastated by it but having used the "hard" break in procedure I am a little disappointed by the dropping oil levels...

Back to your earlier response.. I live in Texas.. so long hills just aint gonna happen.. but Im interested in 2 points you make about this..

Firstly I do have a tendency to chop the throttle closed and I always thought this was a good thing in that it created pressure on the rings and that helps seat them and form a good seal.. now I am wondering...
secondly can you explain why you propose using a different grade of oil?? From pure ignorance I guess I do not get why this would be relevant???

Once again thanks for your input...this is not a huge issue for me but rightly or wrongly I have always felt that an engine that "burns" oil isnt a good engine...


An engine/All engines will use some oil Stw:)
It's just dependant on a number of factors. Some of which we can control ourselves.
IMO if i had an engine that was drinking oil like a fish, and it was making top power, and i was consistantly winning races with it. Then i'd happily give it all the oil it could ever need/want of the highest quality/price point:)

You may be a little biased regarding your belief about oil burning engines. From what you describe to be your consumption level, it could be deemed to be acceptable all day every day as long as it's not changing for the worse and using more than "your engine normally uses".
That's the key point here, in that we are attempting to establish a consumption level that's both acceptable to you and also consistant for your particular engine:)
I personally wouldn't like to be pouring 300V down its throat in the amount you describe, given its price point. I would rather be tipping in some cheaper oil that's going to do the job well in this magnificent engine:)
I'm a bit of a tight ... but i'm not cheap, and just carefull with my money.

Chopping the throttle will help to draw oil up past the rings into the combustion chamber due to negative cylinder pressure (not helpfull). From there it can only go one way. Out the exhaust.
Consider reviewing/modifying your riding style/throttle technique.
Try to be smoother in that regard. Closing the throttle quickly (not chopping) will be normal on a race track when going at 10/10 ths, and you would also expect the engine to be consuming more oil.

Try to get some progressive loading on the engine without lugging it.
Lots of high throttle position is required (>85%), as the engine revs build you would be cranking the throttle on untill you get to nearly "full throttle"(not RPMs). Do it in the highest gear you can:)
I do this on every hill i can find in the highest gear i can reasonably run for the full period of engine break in. From my experience UOAs indicate that the initial run-in period on DUCATI engines is quite short. I think it may be in the initial 1000 Kms with some finishing off in the remaining 1500 Kms. This is reflected in the Owners Manual.
IMO the gear box/transmission takes longer.

I don't believe that because you ran it in hard, it has hurt your machine. These things are hard to kill.
I suspect your run-in proceedure was possibly focused on getting the revs into it, and less on loading the engine to build lots of positive cylinder pressure.
There is a difference.
From what you say about a lack of hills, a session on a dyno will be beneficial in rectifying any oil control issues your engine may have remaining.
As your engine/transmission is virtually run in, you can't hurt anything now and full RPM with high throttle positions on a dyno will be no problem.
The sooner the better;)
You have little to loose and something to gain.

The thinner 10w-40 oil regardless of film strength issues may help to achieve improved oil control if you use it for a short period of time as i stated before.
In accordance with your Owners Manual it will be fine. Esspecially for a short period for the purpose of the exercise. You won't hurt anything while the temps are cooler.
In a small way it will also give you an opportunity to evaluate the effectiveness/fitness for purpose of that grade of oil.
Please don't get me wrong. Here in OZ i would be largely inclined, and do run with a somethingw -50 oil. Our climates are similar.

Without specific data, i would be inclined to think Motul 7100 as opposed to 300V is likely to be better suited to longer OCIs and by extension will likely have lower volatility. Thereby have less tendancy to burn off as is what happens with all oils. It's also cheaper:)
A change to a different type/brand of oil can also help in using less oil, and can potentially bring the single biggest improvement in that regard.
It just may be possible that your particular engine doesn't like the 300V regardless of the grade in your application.
You may simply have to try another oil. IMO it's part of the fun of exploring the possibilities. These Italian women can be fickle you know;)
Amsoil products are a known quantity to me so i use them instead. They have low volatility and tend to not burn off as much as some oils.

Regards,
Brad
 
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no topping off a drop. 6500 miles now, 2 oil changes. I check the level before every ride.
 
I am finding that after every 1000 miles my oil level is down to the bottom part of the sight window... top it up to the level again and it drops again after those miles... no leaks that I can see ..so bike must be burning it... is this what you guys are finding also???:(
Bike has 3000+ miles..no obvious smoking..

yes i noticed this too with 2700 on mine, just before i put away for winter, i was told that it was possible i didn't break in hard enough and piston rings might not have sealed, but they will with little more miles. I was told to keep eye on it, but that means that now i have to have them do all oil changes until warranty is up so i have no issues when Ducati rep comes in and i say I have new bike now.
 
-- wow....i needed to clean my glasses to read this thread.......

-- here is a suggestion: re-read post #3

(i'll save you from having to scroll up) it says:

-- sounds perfectly normal to me - expect that the more you use the tach, the more oil it will use - worth every drop 1 !

-- top off the oil when you do air, clutch bleed, and wipe off your visor
 
Hi my name is Mirko .i have 1199S and i make 1000 km and almost 1 l of oil is gone . Now l m ready for first service, and i ask dealer about smoking from engine and they say is OK for new bike. Color of smoke is withe or blue white , just when i start bike . I need help with this,
mirko
I had Monster 900 1998 for all this years oil whose ok all that times
 
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The Dragon Lady has close to 20 000 km's under her belt and has not used a drop of oil since her first oil service (1 500 km's I think). :p
 
The dealer filled mine with elf superbike 10w/40, I found out after 200 miles, concerned because the temp goes above 100° Brad wrote for stw to change to 10/40 , what do you reckon, change it out or run on?
 
I checked this out, those idiots put in "synthetic based" not even full synthetic 10w/40, I will take it out tomorrow, just concerned that at a later date the engine will cause a problem, Ducati customer service don't give a .... as usual, I love my bikes but these ........ in Bologna and the dealers around me shouldn't even be around Chinese kit!
 
If I remember right I believe Ducati changed the ring design somewhere in 2013 model year. However I would be more concerned if it wasn't using oil. I know its not how we think but all engines should use some oil or lubrication is being sacrificed. As long as it is not too much all is good.

Mine is a 2013 try with about 2400 miles. Service done at about 800 and site window was full when I picked it up. Now showing about 1/2 in the window. It sounds like you run yours a lot like I run mine. I cruse in the 4K range but live in the mountains and once in the turns I am between 5 and 10K.
 

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