On Two Wheels - Ducati 899 vs MV F3 800

899 Panigale vs. MV Augusta F3 800

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fgnF7Iq_0CQ

Pfffttt...what do those two douches know about bikes?

I'm a little mystified about their comment on the brakes not being up to snuff. I thought the 899 shared the same brake setup as the 1199 (and I've not run across anyone complaining about those).

Charliem90 said:

I'm a little mystified about their comment on the brakes not being up to snuff. I thought the 899 shared the same brake setup as the 1199 (and I've not run across anyone complaining about those).

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Funny, coming from a 848 to the 1199 the brakes felt a little soft at first in comparison. It was noticeable.

I chalk that up to a little room for error not overall peformance, because when Ive had to stand on the brakes at speed, they work just fine and I have zero complaints.

Charliem90 said:

I'm a little mystified about their comment on the brakes not being up to snuff. I thought the 899 shared the same brake setup as the 1199 (and I've not run across anyone complaining about those).

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No, they're not the same callipers on the front.
I'm not sure about the Master cylinder?

outhouse said:

Funny, coming from a 848 to the 1199 the brakes felt a little soft at first in comparison. It was noticeable.

I chalk that up to a little room for error not overall peformance, because when Ive had to stand on the brakes at speed, they work just fine and I have zero complaints.

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The M50 callipers on the 1199 don't have the same initial bite as the previous Monoblocks, despite sharing the same pads.

So the M50's feel more progressive without giving anything away in terms of outright stopping power. That's what you're experiencing.
And the best part is they're lighter.

Brad said:

The M50 callipers on the 1199 don't have the same initial bite as the previous Monoblocks, despite sharing the same pads.

So the M50's feel more progressive without giving anything away in terms of outright stopping power. That's what you're experiencing.
And the best part is they're lighter.

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Ducati AND Brembo did this on purpose because the initial bite of the previous gen's can unsettle the bike if you're not use to that initial bite, and also due to consumer requests...

First it was Wes Siler on HellforLeather.com (rideapart.com) saying he preferred the 899 to the 1199, now these two guys? Heresy!

I test rode the F3 800, and unfortunately I didn't get to ride it all that hard, I loved the riding experience. That awesome sound is still lingering in my head. And 11 pounds lighter than the 899 while having a steel trellis frame and aluminum side plates - what's that about, frame-less Ducati?

Mitchlguzin said:

Ducati AND Brembo did this on purpose because the initial bite of the previous gen's can unsettle the bike if you're not use to that initial bite, and also due to consumer requests...

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Interesting

JeffD said:

First it was Wes Siler on HellforLeather.com (rideapart.com) saying he preferred the 899 to the 1199, now these two guys? Heresy!

I test rode the F3 800, and unfortunately I didn't get to ride it all that hard, I loved the riding experience. That awesome sound is still lingering in my head. And 11 pounds lighter than the 899 while having a steel trellis frame and aluminum side plates - what's that about, frame-less Ducati?

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Well I suppose the MV's lighter weight will be able to compensate for your self confessed personally inflicted power to weight disadvantage

JeffD said:

First it was Wes Siler on HellforLeather.com (rideapart.com) saying he preferred the 899 to the 1199, now these two guys? Heresy!

I test rode the F3 800, and unfortunately I didn't get to ride it all that hard, I loved the riding experience. That awesome sound is still lingering in my head. And 11 pounds lighter than the 899 while having a steel trellis frame and aluminum side plates - what's that about, frame-less Ducati?

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I was also a bit surprised at their preference of the 899 to the 1199, especially considering this middle weight comparison took place on a track. One thing about both Panigales that I have seen consistently receive high marks, however, are the electronic aids. It can be easy to take for granted just how good the ABS and DTC are on these bikes.

On Two Wheels - 899 vs F3 800

I think it is just because some public figure said that then a lot of other reviewers say the same thing just to either be hip, create controversy, or look smart. I know how online marketing works.
Or, maybe base 1199 is just that bad with the heavy wheels (I don't believe this).

I just came back from my regular weekend blast and I can confirm my 1199 is a lot easier and quicker (not just faster, but quicker) than my 848. We are talking about sub-200kph twisty narrow road here, where 200 is just not possible, humanely.
Not once did i find notchy or jerky throttle response (was it because of me holding it above 7k rpm?).
Granted mine is an 1199s with the oem lightweight wheels, but I do not believe the difference is that much, especially since 899 also comes with the same wheels as the base panigal (yeah?).
Unless 899 is just so magically better than 848, and 1199 due to a small difference in wheelbase, then my assumption above is right.

Same as the track. The 1199 was just as much easier than the 848 as I found.
That's comparing to 848 with Ohlins TTX, proper springs, and michelin power one tyres.

I call this heresy a usual bs journo wannabe baseless "review".

Also, Wes Siller. I kinda liked the guy in the beginning. Until I read the reviews on products on rideapart website recently (particularly the arai RX7 helmet), which sounds like something taken from a sales brochure, with Wes (I think it was Wes) defending it against some negative comments. There goes credibility.
Edit: the article seems to have been relabelled as Gear Pick, no longer a review.
http://rideapart.com/2014/01/gear-pick-arai-corsair-v-helmet/

Although I have owned an 1199 from their launch having ridden the 899 to run in for UK launch the 899 is a much better road bike being easier to ride with more forgiving suspension but also has enough power when required
I expect many prospective owners testing both bikes back to back will opt for the 899

I agree

I think the 1199 is absolutely insane.

But basically, they didn't like either bike correct?

Yep.
Sort of

TricoloreSF said:

But basically, they didn't like either bike correct?

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That's the impression I got as well. I think these two weigh price in fairly heavily when conducting evaluations, which may play a contributing factor. I really would have liked to see them take both bikes to the streets considering many of the changes to the 899 were implemented to make it a more street friendly bike.

I actually don't care if they liked either bikes or not. Just thought it was amusing that they had a shootout but the outcome was essentially that they disliked both.

The douches are just bike salesmen, and there are more credible opinions then these two dudes.


For me the 1199 is a pussycat on the street, and those that appose probably cant handle the 899's power fully anyway.

I know I am purposely stepping in it, with that statement but I don't care.

The 899 will do a 100 in second gear the same way the 848 does and the same the 1199 does, for those of you who have not lowed the gears.


Two equal riders in the real tight stuff will be neck and neck, the only difference is on the high speed stuff in 3rd gear and above where the guy on the 1199 will walk away from the guy on the 899.


Biased hell yes I am.

But ive done the little bike thing for the last 15 years, and I love the 1199 on the street.

A few years ago Ari bought a 250, guess he is biased lol to small displacement.


Nothing like smoking liter bikes with your skill.