Panigale V4 Ohlins TTX GP Rear Shock Info

Looks like we'll start getting Ohlins TTX shocks for upgrading the base Panigale V4 in May, the new part number is going to be DU468, at $1375 MSRP. As far as spring rates on the shocks, they're just a little stiffer compared to the 1199/1299 Panigale spring rates due to the new linkage. Here are the initial spring rate guidelines from Ohlins we're working with, it may evolve slightly over time but this is going to be very close:

Weight w/Gear - Spring Rate:
150 and under - 90 N/mm
160-180 - 95 N/mm
190-200 - 100 N/mm
210-220 - 105 N/mm
230-240 - 110 N/mm
250 and up - 115 N/mm

The springs on the shocks are a new model number 21056 (also on OEM shock on Panigale V4S), however they're the same dimension as an existing Ohlins spring 21040 which was used on the prior generation Superbike (1098/1198). Most Ohlins dealers will have a bunch of 21040 springs lying around already so no waiting on parts. The new spring 21056-31 (95 N/mm rate) is the OEM spring for the Panigale V4S model, and there are no other rates available for that spring. So if you want an alternate spring rate, you'll see the 20140 spring number on it, just FYI.

We have the shocks listed on our web site now for pre-orders, expected to ship early May:
Ohlins TTX GP Shock DU468 - Panigale V4

Also, if you have a Panigale V4S and want an alternate spring rate for your shock, we have those available here:
Öhlins Shock Spring - Panigale V4

Our Panigale V4 track testing starts April 16th, so we should have more setup information and guidelines after that point. Can't wait!!

Not a suspension guy, but I'm assuming we can use forks from previous gen? such as the Rs?

Or the Showas good enough?

SixShock said:

Not a suspension guy, but I'm assuming we can use forks from previous gen? such as the Rs?

Or the Showas good enough?

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It's always possible to swap things around, just depends on which model and what the diameter of the tubes are, if different then the triples need to be swapped too. We have a set of Ohlins gas-charged FGR forks going on a V4 we're building for the track right now for example. The Showa BP is actually a pretty decent fork, much better than the Marzocchis on the base 1199/1299. Still doesn't have enough compressing damping for advanced track use, but a set of Andreani valves or NIX30 cartridges would take care of that.

Hello Jarel,

The stock spring on my 2020 Panigale V4 916 25 Anniversario is: 21056-31/95 so it has the same rate as 2019 bikes.

While, from my understanding, the 2020 Panigale V4S came standard with 85N/mm, softer rate than the 2019 model and improve the handling.
but Scott Redding who weight 170 pounds actually prefer to lower the spring rate on the 2020 Panigale V4s he rode in Valencia even more to just 80N/mm
Ducati Motor Holding on LinkedIn: Unbelievable onboard lap @Valencia + My thoughts on the 2020 Panigale | 35 comments

My weight is only 140 to 145 pounds, what do you think will be a good spring rate for me?
Should I went with 75N/mm or even 70N/mm? I am also hoping the softer spring rate will slightly lower the riding position and better suit my height.
Do you have this lower rate spring in stock?

Thanks

BMW Alpina said:

Hello Jarel,

The stock spring on my 2020 Panigale V4 916 25 Anniversario is: 21056-31/95 so it has the same rate as 2019 bikes.

While, from my understanding, the 2020 Panigale V4S came standard with 85N/mm, softer rate than the 2019 model and improve the handling.
but Scott Redding who weight 170 pounds actually prefer to lower the spring rate on the 2020 Panigale V4s he rode in Valencia even more to just 80N/mm
Ducati Motor Holding on LinkedIn: Unbelievable onboard lap @Valencia + My thoughts on the 2020 Panigale | 35 comments

My weight is only 140 to 145 pounds, what do you think will be a good spring rate for me?
Should I went with 75N/mm or even 70N/mm? I am also hoping the softer spring rate will slightly lower the riding position and better suit my height.
Do you have this lower rate spring in stock?

Thanks

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Hi, I was speaking to the Ohlins technician that set up Scott's bike he used for testing in the UK. It was a base V4, and he was using it to learn the circuits. The only change they made from a stock bike, was the rear shock. And they used a 110 spring.
My V4R came with a 105 spring as standard. Feels good, I only use the bike on track.

BMW Alpina said:

Hello Jarel,

The stock spring on my 2020 Panigale V4 916 25 Anniversario is: 21056-31/95 so it has the same rate as 2019 bikes.

While, from my understanding, the 2020 Panigale V4S came standard with 85N/mm, softer rate than the 2019 model and improve the handling.
but Scott Redding who weight 170 pounds actually prefer to lower the spring rate on the 2020 Panigale V4s he rode in Valencia even more to just 80N/mm
Ducati Motor Holding on LinkedIn: Unbelievable onboard lap @Valencia + My thoughts on the 2020 Panigale | 35 comments

My weight is only 140 to 145 pounds, what do you think will be a good spring rate for me?
Should I went with 75N/mm or even 70N/mm? I am also hoping the softer spring rate will slightly lower the riding position and better suit my height.
Do you have this lower rate spring in stock?

Thanks

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The new 2020 bikes have a revised linkage and use a lighter spring rate with more preload. I wouldn't go that low on the spring rate on the prior V4's, 90 is pretty much the lightest rate we've ran on them.

jarelj said:

The new 2020 bikes have a revised linkage and use a lighter spring rate with more preload. I wouldn't go that low on the spring rate on the prior V4's, 90 is pretty much the lightest rate we've ran on them.

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Thank You for the advise Jarel

I have the TTX GP shock installed on my 2019 V4 base model. Here's my data point:
I weight 190 lbs with gear and have the 100 N/mm spring with preload set to 10 turns from full soft giving about 30 mm rear sag, and the bike feels pretty balanced to me with good grip.

Hi Jarel, is the ohlins rear shock, DU468 the same across 18-20 models. Understand that the 20 model now sits higher. Is it due to shock length or linkage?

jarelj said:

It's always possible to swap things around, just depends on which model and what the diameter of the tubes are, if different then the triples need to be swapped too. We have a set of Ohlins gas-charged FGR forks going on a V4 we're building for the track right now for example. The Showa BP is actually a pretty decent fork, much better than the Marzocchis on the base 1199/1299. Still doesn't have enough compressing damping for advanced track use, but a set of Andreani valves or NIX30 cartridges would take care of that.

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Hello Jarel,

can you tell me which set of Andreani valves for the V4 with Showa BPF. I only find the kit piston d411/d01 for 899 Panigale.

bu2tler said:

Hello Jarel,

can you tell me which set of Andreani valves for the V4 with Showa BPF. I only find the kit piston d411/d01 for 899 Panigale.

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According to the catalog, 115/D01E for Showa 43mm BPF.

Ok. Thank you. That's the complete cartrige.
You wrote about valves. I'm loking for valves. The "cheap" solution.

jarelj said:

According to the catalog, 115/D01E for Showa 43mm BPF.

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Thanks for this. I've been exploring ways to upgrade the BPFs on my base V4 and this definitely seems like one of the best compromises of cost/performance/ease. Where does Andreani sit in quality compared to other suspension manufacturers (Mupo, Bitubo, Ktech, Showa, etc.)?

bu2tler said:

Ok. Thank you. That's the complete cartrige.
You wrote about valves. I'm loking for valves. The "cheap" solution.

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I'm not seeing them in the current catalog. You can contact Dave at Fast Bike, he's the US Importer for Andreani, he might know:
https://www.fastbikeindustries.com/contact.html

MaverickiB said:

Thanks for this. I've been exploring ways to upgrade the BPFs on my base V4 and this definitely seems like one of the best compromises of cost/performance/ease. Where does Andreani sit in quality compared to other suspension manufacturers (Mupo, Bitubo, Ktech, Showa, etc.)?

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Andreani makes good quality stuff, I've had their cartridge kits on a couple of different bikes. My default is always to go with Ohlins if they make the components for my bike and only consider the others if Ohlins doesn't make anything. Andreani does a lot of "custom" Ohlins adaptation kits to fit bikes that Ohlins doesn't make a direct fitment for. I had an Andreani Ohlins TTX shock on my old Ninja 300 race bike, for example, and Ohlins doesn't make one, it was a Gixxer shock that Andreani made a custom clevis for. I've had Mupo a couple of times, also good and nice innovations such as their variable spring rate cartridge kits, however the availability of spare parts is a little more complicated as they don't have a US warehouse, so it all has to come from Italy, as opposed to Ohlins with a warehouse in the US. Bitubo, never used, never a reason to. KTech same thing. In my opinion, Ohlins is the go-to for every conceivable reason, and if that's not available then ok maybe a reason to look elsewhere. You'll likely never be disappointed with the performance of Ohlins and there is a wealth of tuning knowledge out there for it.

Hi Jarel.

Thank you. I will ask him.

It was an idea to pimp up the Showa. In Europe it’s not so hard to get the parts from Anderani, Mupo or others.

The big advantage of Öhlins is they have the parts for adjustments and a great number of specialists. Maybe I must change the direction. A TTX shock is already working at the back.

You'd be surprised, if you have the opportunity to back to back test different suspension manufacturers products against each other, they have very different feel/feedback.

There's a reason a lot of people use the other brands, and more often than not, it isn't down to cost.