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SuperGmoney

SuperGmoney

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I'm hell bent to be able to ride without cooking my .... I noticed there is plenty of open cavities and gaping holes under the seat where the baking temps easily rise up from the rear header and start the cooking process. Now, what can we use to fill this with insulation or perhaps blanket the area with .......how about cutting up a silicone oven mitt or one of those silicone pot holders? Would household fiberglass insulation work?
 

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Ok, I read this post and others like it. We can't re-title the thread to what it should be, but (in this case) I see the words being used like: "cooking his ...", "open cavities", "gaping holes" and "silicone" - and I think back to a past post. I only added #5.


1) Wear jeans (not a dress), boots and not heels;
2) Buy Termi slip-ons to delete catalytic converter and alleviate heat;
3) Use thermo-wrap at the rear header loop; and
4) Ride the hell out of it and stop complaining.
5) Refrain from using words such as: cooking his ...", "open cavities", "gaping holes" and "silicone"l

This thread and others like it should be automatically deleted. Or, in the alternative - the thread should be labeled automatically, "Oh, my P&@@% hurts!!!"
 
George Villar said:
Ok, I read this post and others like it. We can't re-title the thread to what it should be, but (in this case) I see the words being used like: "cooking his ...", "open cavities", "gaping holes" and "silicone" - and I think back to a past post. I only added #5.


1) Wear jeans (not a dress), boots and not heels;
2) Buy Termi slip-ons to delete catalytic converter and alleviate heat;
3) Use thermo-wrap at the rear header loop; and
4) Ride the hell out of it and stop complaining.
5) Refrain from using words such as: cooking his ...", "open cavities", "gaping holes" and "silicone"l

This thread and others like it should be automatically deleted. Or, in the alternative - the thread should be labeled automatically, "Oh, my P&@@% hurts!!!"
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George,
My 1199 has a Full Termignoni Exhaust system that has been completely dismantled and Jet-Hot coated Satin Black. I applied Heat Radiating Gold Foil to the underside of the Carbon Fiber Header Shield. I wear Shock Doctor Compression Shorts, Dainese Norsorex pants along with Dainese Kevlar Jeans. I also wear Dainese Torque Pro Out Boots. I can shut up and avoid using this forum or we can collaborate with other forum members to solve problems. If you disagree then you are free to avoid posts you don't like. Otherwise your comments offer zero value.
 
Hey SuperGmoney - You mentioned you did a ton of stuff, but not the seat. I noticed that changing the seat helped me a ton. The race seat was higher and was enough to move you away from the head.
 
michaeldorian said:
Hey SuperGmoney - You mentioned you did a ton of stuff, but not the seat. I noticed that changing the seat helped me a ton. The race seat was higher and was enough to move you away from the head.
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Thanks Michael. I wanted to avoid installing a slightly higher seat but may have to if I can't find a way to insulate the space under the seat. I was also wondering if the Luimoto Gold Gel may block some of the heat too.
 
Did you notice much difference in heat after the Jet Hot?

What about wrapping the rear header? I know it will hide the nice Jet Hot...but might provide help the "cooking my ..." and minimize your interaction with "open cavities", "gaping holes" and "silicone".

(Sorry for the smartass comment at the end... Couldn't help myself) hehee
 
I don't know if this will work but I'm up to trying everything to combat the heat. I bought two silicone pot holders and cut them to fit into the open spaces below the seat. I think they will make a difference because the heat from the headers flows easily up through the gaps and the only thing separating the header heat shield and bottom of the seat is the red plastic body parts. The silicone pot holders fitted nicely should inhibit the flow of the heat through the cracks and insulate the red plastic. I think this will help reduce the heat from the "low hanging fruit" but it won't stop the metal frame under the seat from building up heat from it's direct contact with the Termi Carbon Fiber heat shield underneath. The pic shows the placement of the Silicone Pot Holder.
 

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I drove 30 minutes last night and noticed the seat was warm but not as hot before. I'll ride it for an hour this weekend to compare with last weekends hour long ride.
 
Be careful though. If you are blocking heat from dissipating through the mid-tail section, you may be creating a build-up that could either cook the plastics or the wiring that runs through. Just something to consider. But I am curious about how the pot holders are working for the longer rides. I was on a 215-mile ride last weekend, and the heat was nasty at stopping points, but not bad while moving over 25mph.

I did add the comfort seat, which made a HUGE difference in how the heat cooks my bits and pieces. I'm thinking if you added the same amount of insulation as what the comfort seat added, you'd be where I am now - which is tolerable and much better than stock.

Goodluck!
 
killthrash said:
Be careful though. If you are blocking heat from dissipating through the mid-tail section, you may be creating a build-up that could either cook the plastics or the wiring that runs through. Just something to consider. But I am curious about how the pot holders are working for the longer rides. I was on a 215-mile ride last weekend, and the heat was nasty at stopping points, but not bad while moving over 25mph.

I did add the comfort seat, which made a HUGE difference in how the heat cooks my bits and pieces. I'm thinking if you added the same amount of insulation as what the comfort seat added, you'd be where I am now - which is tolerable and much better than stock.

Goodluck!
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The stock seat is too slippery for me so I'm contemplating the Race Seat. I don't want the comfy seat because I fear it would add height and take away from the original benefits of the 1199 ergonomics. The luimoto slipcover and Gold Gel insert looks like a nice alternative but then I would have to cut out the foam to insert the Gold Gel. I have to believe the Gold Gel would insulate my butt from any heat as well. No matter the seat there will still be plenty of heat rising from the headers and engine block to hit my thighs.

My goal of fitting the silicone pot holders was specifically to insulate the bottom plastic wall of the open spaces under the seat, therefore I am hoping to block some heat from radiating up to the bottom of the seat. I feel this will actually reduce the temperature. It won't eliminate the heat because the metal frame is still being heated due to the close proximity to the Carbon Fiber Header Heat Shield. The electronics run through this metal frame the seat attaches to. None of this is a silver bullett but I enjoy trying to find one. Doesn't cost much.
 
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Thermotec adhesive BTW
 
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SuperGmoney said:
The stock seat is too slippery for me so I'm contemplating the Race Seat. I don't want the comfy seat because I fear it would add height and take away from the original benefits of the 1199 ergonomics. The luimoto slipcover and Gold Gel insert looks like a nice alternative but then I would have to cut out the foam to insert the Gold Gel. I have to believe the Gold Gel would insulate my butt from any heat as well. No matter the seat there will still be plenty of heat rising from the headers and engine block to hit my thighs.

My goal of fitting the silicone pot holders was specifically to insulate the bottom plastic wall of the open spaces under the seat, therefore I am hoping to block some heat from radiating up to the bottom of the seat. I feel this will actually reduce the temperature. It won't eliminate the heat because the metal frame is still being heated due to the close proximity to the Carbon Fiber Header Heat Shield. The electronics run through this metal frame the seat attaches to. None of this is a silver bullett but I enjoy trying to find one. Doesn't cost much.
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Right on. The comfort seat initially added enough height to make a difference in position and ride. But after about 300 miles on the seat, it compacted enough to almost match the seat height of the stock seat. And the heat is MUCH less apparent.

I don't blame you for trying all the cheap, easy options you can. I'd be doing the same thing if I was still rocking the stock seat. I do like b1six's setup. The exhaust wrap looks great, and the thermotec looks easy enough to install under the seat.
 
I'd be very interested to hear what effect all that time and money spent on ceramic coating had...as I'm following suit....
 

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