Problem at oil change

Hi boys,
yesterday in doing the oil change. I found the filter in the pump inlet dirty and in the oil pan I found some pieces of plastic of different types and sizes as well as a very small piece of thin metal. Anyone have any ideas?

The first (metal) piece I DON’t like and it is pretty big size!
Second piece is well known “mystery finger” found during oil change by many members including me.
Third (two plastic pieces) I don’t like as well but not to critical since only moving plastic pieces are water pump gears ( known to fail) and chain guides. There may be more plastic parts are present but nothing comes to my mind now. Other members may chime in with other info, I would take right side cover off and look inside since clutch is there, timing chain and guides are there, water pump gears….or if you didn’t experience any issues how motorcycle is running just ride that sucker.

Thanks for your reponce. Probably i'll open the right side cover to take a look but i've seen picture from the chain guide and it's not in black plastic.

agree with Bo13R.
ive had both the 11 and 12 bikes and saw similar pieces in my 30K miles 1199 at every oil change.

The first piece, thats a head scratcher...but ive seen them as well on several oil changes. On my 1199 (that blew up a piston) i have the entire motor torn apart on my work bench and besides the chunk missing from the piston, there are zero indications of where the metal is coming from.

For sure the second piece, got about 8-10 of them in 3yrs worth of oil changes...

the third piece looks like possible gasket material? for sure not the gears or guides as you say, different plastic.


My 1299 just did hit 10k miles and did oil change (my third since getting bike) and for the first time did not have any material in the oil.

Good luck man,
JAG

The black stuff looks like Threebond.

I'd be concerned with the metal but what can you do? The options are take it apart, inspect and rebuild it or ride it as is.

I always had spare parts in the 1299 oil, its not impossible that the metal is a manufacturing artifact but I would probably look at removing the sump and engine covers for a visual. My main concern would be the part that looks like a tooth.

Thanks boys, inside the mesh filter i found another parts of the same pieces.
From this new photos someone see something new?

the black stuff...gotta be some bonding material gaskets...
the metal stuff looks like what ive gotten out of both my 11 and 12 99 bikes.

how many miles on your bike? how many oil changes?

JAG

1800 km, i don't know how many oil change has got the bike because i took it in 2020.
I suppose (for the “mystery finger”) that no-one of the official Ducati Dealer has cleaned the internal filter...
I received an estimate of 4850E without labor for open the engine, check it and change the main parts of usury.
If i can understand what is the little metal piece (i think non a mechanical part due to the very slim material used and low resistence) i can avoid the complete opening of the engine.

it look like an electric part of connector but it isn't

I would not let them split the case. They will do that for the desmo service at 12000km if warranted.

I'm gonna take a wild guess... the metal piece looks like bearing material.

If it is then it might not be as bad as it sounds if the bike runs fine. Believe it or not, bearing to crank contact should never happen and the real bearing should be a thin film of oil between them.

If it's bearing material it might be due to insufficient lubrication possibly due to prolonged storage.

Again... if this is the case I wouldn't worry about it too much as long as the bearing hasn't spun and there's no abnormal sounds or vibrations.

Alternatively, instead of splitting the case (never done during routine servicing) you could look for a mechanic with a borescope or get the metal tested. Either would be a lot cheaper and less risky than opening the case

Further thought, I would pull the stator cover off. It's not going to cost much to look and check the condition and its a part that has contacts inside the engine.

I don't think a borescope would be very useful. You would need to inspect the crank, rod and cam journals for any sign that metal has run through the oiling system. That cannot be done unless you really start opening things up.

I'd advise the same. Ride it as-is or tear down, inspect and rebuild the engine. I'd favor the first.

You have two choices, ignore it, or address it. If you ignore that much crap, you will pay much more later, if you wait for it to fail.

If that was mine, id pull pan off, and both side covers and do some serious inspecting

id also look at the parts catalog and figure out just what all of that is.

My water pump had a few small chunks out. It almost looked like your brownish tab, there is as thrust washer but its not like the bright metal you have in yours.

Im a good mechanic and build my own high performance engines, and id crap if that ever came out of mine.

Throwing out a wild guess, the rubber crap probably got brought in and down from the chain, possible guide material, sometimes rubber parts have thin metal as guide plates.

Last thing you want is this failing in road, which could be stupid bad, or on the track which would also be bad.

Its caused damage to other parts inside that engine, you have something pretty wrong inside, and these motors are stupid expensive to go through.

id have it torn a part tonight pan and both sides off that motor to inspect. Bore scope will show nothing if interest in relationship to these pieces you have found

A borescope will show if there's damage but you need a good operator and a decent but if kit. That being said, covers off would be a logical start as I mentioned earlier.

The black rubber - does it feel like dried sealant? It's impossible to tell from the pictures. The guides are orange/brown plastic.

the black stuff looks like sealant, when i took my covers off to refinish them, i noticed that ducati was super sloppy when it came to applying the sealant and the amount that was being used. the flat areas where all the metal pieces mate together are not machined flat, they have small grooves in them to hold sealant, it takes a very thin film of sealant to get the surfaces to seal, any excess will squish in and out of the surfaces, the stuff that squishes in is the problem, it eventually hardens and with vibration breaks loose and can do damage to the engine by blocking lubrication at critical times in the engines life, especially high rpm, it takes 0 seconds for damage to happen at 10k plus rpm when oil flow is blocked even for a millisecond. when i resealed my cases i use hondabond or gm gray sealant, then use a finger to spread a super thin film on both surfaces but on outer half of the surface only.... so that when i tighten the pieces down, the sealant will flow in both directions but since it was placed closer to the outer edge, less of it is likely to squish to the inside then later break off. i have removed the cases multiple times for different reasons and this method works extremely well. only thing left is to remove whatever squishes to the outside

if you look a

the aluminum pieces look they were forcefully sheered from a surface by another piece of metal, from the curly shape of two of them,
one of them looks like a formed piece, almost like a tooth or the corner of something

my opinion , is take the covers off and look for something made of similar looking metal. if you can try to workout the path/flow of the oil then work your way back with the flow of oil,