RapidBike Evo and Tuneboy: My Experience with Both

I have a 2016 1299 standard with Arrow cat eliminator exhaust.
I had RapidBike Evo installed about 4000 miles ago. After having RB installed, I experienced a power cut-out at around 4500 rpm, almost like the bike was about to die. I also can't say I noticed any power increase. I hooked my laptop up to RB and had a screen sharing session with Yamman. He said it looked like RapidBike was doing some good adjustments. I still have to say I didn't notice an improvement.

I had RB removed by the dealer that installed it, and the 4500 rpm sputtering went away. The ECU was now back to stock.

I installed Tuneboy a week ago. You have to carefully follow the instructions, but it wasn't too hard. I used the Akropovic slip-on tune. The bike now starts instantly. The power has noticeably increased. The throttle response seems smoother. There is no hole in the power anywhere in the rpm range. I'm very happy with the tune. It's just an rpm/throttle position tune, and it works.

I have a 2015 Yamaha R1 with a great FT ECU tune specifically for my Graves exhaust, and I wanted the same type of experience on the 1299. Now I have it.

1299s with rb and slip on decat

On road despite the low rpm closed loop it removed the fluffiness that my 1299 has at low rpm

Dyno check/ set up showed that top end increased by 4 hp and the curve was smoother.
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I've considered the RB but ultimately decided against due to the installation procedure. My bike definitely runs different when running on ethanol and non ethanol gas. Would be nice to have RB as ethanol is not always readily available.

Ive been sticking it out with TB for a couple years now. You really have to fly solo with TB and depending on wayne's mood on the day as to weather you get a a hepfull response or even just a email reply.
Not having a local tuner has limited deveoplment on my bike. It is much better that factory, but untill I transfer to a city with a tuner its not 100%.
The QS needs alot of work, which is the biggest disappointment. But as TB is cheap than getting a RB + Blipbox guess you get what you payed for.

A mate has both a RB and TB installed on his Diavel. RB for the tuning and TB for CC and QS.

I've had Tuneboy for 18 months on my 1299, it has made my bike run much better in that it just feels nicer, no hesitation or stalling etc. I put the Termi undertail system on and just used the full akra tune. Just doing a bit of looging with WB O2 shows it may be a little rich but it really goes well with this tune. I've only corresponded with Wayne a couple of times but he has been pretty helpful to me.

Cheers

After reading all the posts on TB, I tentatively installed TB with CC on my 1199 approx 2 years ago.

Noticed an immediate improvement in the closed loop section. I used the slip on termi tune. This made the bike so much easier to ride. I had the bike dyno tuned around a year ago. Again, there was a noticeable difference in the power delivery. One of the best improvements for the 1199 IMO.

I just installed the rapid bike on my 1299. I had a rapid bike on my 2014 Ducati Monster 1200s. It was made the 1200s more of a beast than it already was. Scared me a bit the first time I gave it throttle while making a K turn in my driveway after pulling out of my garage. The throttle response was instant and its as though the bike wanted to jump up.

Now I installed the RB on my 1299. Took me 2 days because the instructions werent perfect and i had to route the harness a different way. Took off the lower fairings/bellypan because I didnt like how it mounted or maybe thats the way you mount it on the 1199. And had to remove plastic covers on the right side to get to connectors even though it didnt say so in the instructions and if I didnt it would be difficult to reach certain connectors. Anyway Ill stop bitching now. Its done. I rode the bike. Felt better than before. None of that laggy lurching almost wanting to stall at 4-4500k rpms. Throttle response felt better. Launch felt stronger since power came up instant just like on my 14 Monster 1200s (traded her in). I have slip on Termis and a upgraded filter on the bike. Im curious as to why some people here say they are still experiencing that lurching almost want to stall at 4500 rpms and others dont? Is it maybe because of the exhaust, filter or something else?

That being said. I havent done much research on the tuneboy. Do you have to send your ecu to get flashed or just download the tuneboy? And here is a question that I wish someone could answer because I never understood these things and dont know how to do them and let my friends play around with my TTS tuners on my harleys or play around on other tuners on my street bikes. And they never explained it properly to me and Im not ashamed to ask. How does one tune a rapid bike or tuneboy and get a map that they are happy with? How does one know what parameters they need? I am clueless to this. Just trying to be taught on this method. When I track any of my bikes that have fuel management systems , depending on the track or where I am some friends play around with my tunes but never explained it to me so that I understand. Im not an ....., I design and distribute instruments for types of eye surgery. But my friends just cant seem to explain it so I understand.

cycler said:

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Most of your questions are answered here:

http://ducatiforum.com/mechanical-technical/19084-how-does-what-does-rapidbike.html

Since I've had experience with many failed intercepter style tuners on customers cars/trucks due to connector quality or hardware failures, I never even considered the rapidbike for my Ducati. They were from many diffrent companies edge/bulldog/superchips etc...

So far have a bren tune and love it

cycler said:

That being said. I havent done much research on the tuneboy. Do you have to send your ecu to get flashed or just download the tuneboy? And here is a question that I wish someone could answer because I never understood these things and dont know how to do them and let my friends play around with my TTS tuners on my harleys or play around on other tuners on my street bikes. And they never explained it properly to me and Im not ashamed to ask. How does one tune a rapid bike or tuneboy and get a map that they are happy with? How does one know what parameters they need? I am clueless to this. Just trying to be taught on this method. When I track any of my bikes that have fuel management systems , depending on the track or where I am some friends play around with my tunes but never explained it to me so that I understand.

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Rapidbike is supposed to tune itself but I have no experience with it. You load Tuneboy yourself with a computer and a piece of hardware that comes with the Tuneboy software. You have to be comfortable with using a computer and flashing ECUs but it isn't hard. It comes with some standard tunes for different exhaust setups but to get the most out of it you should probably visit a dyno tuner.

Cheers

Cosmik de Bris said:

Rapidbike is supposed to tune itself but I have no experience with it. You load Tuneboy yourself with a computer and a piece of hardware that comes with the Tuneboy software. You have to be comfortable with using a computer and flashing ECUs but it isn't hard. It comes with some standard tunes for different exhaust setups but to get the most out of it you should probably visit a dyno tuner.

Cheers

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Thanks for the feedback. Even though Im clueless how to tune the parameters on fuel management systems and make maps. Im comfortable loading a map into a power commander or any other unit if the map is made. And i am comfortable flashing an ecu if its as easy as you say with the instructions. After doing research on the tune boy , i didnt know whether to get the tune boy or rapid bike. However I settled on the rapid bike because i liked the way it was on my monster 1200s and thought the ecu had to be sent out for the tune boy. Now i know that i can reflash my ecu with the tuneboy. I looked up tuneboy but they dont make anything for bmws. So ill end up getting the rapid bike for my 2016 S1000RR and keep the power commander 5 with autotune on my 2015 S1000R. If i can sell the power commander ill get a rapid bike for the S1000R unless I can sell it along with its 39 mods (overkill i know). And pick up a aprilia tuono factory and then add a tune boy

We offer tuning for these bikes far superior to any piggyback module and much more in-depth and advanced than Tuneboys offering. Tuneboy is fine for most users but misses many of the most important tables on these bikes.

We offer full AlphaN fueling conversion which greatly improves power and ridability, especially in the part to low throttle range where these bikes need it most. We also improve throttle response, power (of course), quick shifter, timing etc.

Available via our easy to use handheld tuning device, you will just need to simply read/write the ECU which only requires access to a windows based computer. I have independently verified 199WHP (93 octane) 1299's via Ducati Detroit's dyno.

https://brentuningmoto.com/product/2015-ducati-1299sr-tuning-handheld/

I have had both on my 2013 1199R. The tuneboy is much more hands-on when getting to know the system and using it. I struggled a lot and had a tuner help (@ additional cost) that used to support TB. I picked the TB solely for downshift blipping. He reluctantly did it and got it working on the dyno. I got it home and it did not work. I finally just left the module plugged in and rode the bike up the road. It worked. This is for a racebike so I am limited in on-road testing. Track only. Currently everything works but as a previous poster stated...the settings need work. I had such a hard time I am scared to touch a thing...lol. If the other tuners offered a blip function I would have surely went another route. The install on the rapidbike was a bit of a pain but not terrible. The support from RapidBike is outstanding! Zohsix and Yaman are as customer focused as I have seen. I ended up putting the rapidbike on my 675R and it is slowly learning and making corrections. Again, it is a racebike so I must ride it on track for the learning. Just adding info to the thread. I am sure there are quite a few people mulling this decision. I have found some great info on this forum.

BrenTuning said:

We offer tuning for these bikes far superior to any piggyback module and much more in-depth and advanced than Tuneboys offering. Tuneboy is fine for most users but misses many of the most important tables on these bikes.

We offer full AlphaN fueling conversion which greatly improves power and ridability, especially in the part to low throttle range where these bikes need it most. We also improve throttle response, power (of course), quick shifter, timing etc.

Available via our easy to use handheld tuning device, you will just need to simply read/write the ECU which only requires access to a windows based computer. I have independently verified 199WHP (93 octane) 1299's via Ducati Detroit's dyno.

https://brentuningmoto.com/product/2015-ducati-1299sr-tuning-handheld/

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Wondering why more people on this forum aren't using this vs RB an TB, seems like a vastly superior product. Looking forward to trying it

I installed Tuneboy on my 15 mod 1199R and Used the map for an Akro slip on I noticed no difference at all,I then took it over to the bloke who designed Tuneboy who worked on it for about 5hrs on his dyno,I couldn’t be happier with it’s perfomane,it has flawless power right through the rpm and produced 199.2hp,it also has 2 other maps I can access and cruise control,the only thing is he is hard to get hold of,but I’m happy I used him and I’m pretty sure he knows his .....

BrenTune question...

1. Does your handheld plug into connector under seat or is there an installation requirement?

2. If the bike is brought to you will the tune be the same as the handheld or will you do a custom setup for my bike?

Thanks!

BrenTuning said:

We offer tuning for these bikes far superior to any piggyback module and much more in-depth and advanced than Tuneboys offering. Tuneboy is fine for most users but misses many of the most important tables on these bikes.

We offer full AlphaN fueling conversion which greatly improves power and ridability, especially in the part to low throttle range where these bikes need it most. We also improve throttle response, power (of course), quick shifter, timing etc.

Available via our easy to use handheld tuning device, you will just need to simply read/write the ECU which only requires access to a windows based computer. I have independently verified 199WHP (93 octane) 1299's via Ducati Detroit's dyno.

https://brentuningmoto.com/product/2015-ducati-1299sr-tuning-handheld/

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ultra300x said:

Wondering why more people on this forum aren't using this vs RB an TB, seems like a vastly superior product. Looking forward to trying it

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I have a different question. In a full alpha-N setup, how will the system take advantage of ram air in order to not run lean at high speed or rich at low speed? Or compensate for load differences up or downhill? Or elevation changes? I live in Norway, so the last two WILL be a challenge in a pure alpha-N. And the stock setup already is throttle load based (meaning the load axis on the table is throttle percentage), so what exactly is changed? Just the MAP compensation is removed?

I do appreciate the hand held device instead of needing to connect a laptop every time I want to make a difference to the setup, but how is the tuning part solved? Is there a way to do live mapping, or do I need to read out, then change, then save, then read the TPS line again?

ultra300x said:

Wondering why more people on this forum aren't using this vs RB an TB, seems like a vastly superior product. Looking forward to trying it

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Woolich Racing is the front runner.

BT has it pros and cons, but I think its still misses a few features that TB and Woolich have.

TB is a very good product. Its just not "hurr-durr " proof and requires time to find tune.

TurboLag said:

I have a different question. In a full alpha-N setup, how will the system take advantage of ram air in order to not run lean at high speed or rich at low speed? Or compensate for load differences up or downhill? Or elevation changes?

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In an alpha-N setup I don't think you can. The only way to tune for these conditions is to measure the amount of air going into the engine with a MAP of MAF.

Cheers