Termi full system want due to heat upgrades

I know these heat covers have been discussed at length, I've came to the realisation that I need to do it. Had my first track day earlier in the week. It was amazing...loved the pani, felt the heat through my leathers on the way home from the track day stuck in traffic. 35 degree air temp whilst stuck in rush hour after a awesome day. I can honestly say its the most uncomfortable Ive ever felt on a bike. Bike made it to 107 degrees. The right indicator stopped working as well. I ve read this could be attributed to the heat on this forum.

So the question I'm asking myself is should I upgrade to the full system, I might be looking for excuses as I've always wanted it but the reviews on this forum with the slip on option being the best held me off. The bottom line is standard steel exhaust header cover is pretty un appealing. The head casing covering the beautiful magnesium isnt great but bearable and doesnt look too bad. The carbon exhaust cover looks a lot better than the steel IMO. So my thinking, trying to justify full termi upgrade is could some of the labor cost be absorbed for the exhaust manifold install with these warranty heat upgrades. Which is relatively labor intensive as well??? hmmmh what do you guys reckon?

It sure seems that the Aussies have been finding this website more than any other group out there! Yoos guys are popping up here by the hundreds lately!

Technically I'm a scotsman who has made Australia his home Gunny....hence the intolerance to heat.... but yep the Aussie or honorary Aussie's love for the Pani is huge!!!

iceman said:

I know these heat covers have been discussed at length, I've came to the realisation that I need to do it. Had my first track day earlier in the week. It was amazing...loved the pani, felt the heat through my leathers on the way home from the track day stuck in traffic. 35 degree air temp whilst stuck in rush hour after a awesome day. I can honestly say its the most uncomfortable Ive ever felt on a bike. Bike made it to 107 degrees. The right indicator stopped working as well. I ve read this could be attributed to the heat on this forum.

So the question I'm asking myself is should I upgrade to the full system, I might be looking for excuses as I've always wanted it but the reviews on this forum with the slip on option being the best held me off. The bottom line is standard steel exhaust header cover is pretty un appealing. The head casing covering the beautiful magnesium isnt great but bearable and doesnt look too bad. The carbon exhaust cover looks a lot better than the steel IMO. So my thinking, trying to justify full termi upgrade is could some of the labor cost be absorbed for the exhaust manifold install with these warranty heat upgrades. Which is relatively labor intensive as well??? hmmmh what do you guys reckon? I

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I have the Termi slips and I haven't had much problem with the heat on the road except where I've done a high speed run and the hit traffic - it's the build up of heat that causes problems (commuting in urban traffic from A - B isn't a problem).

I did a track day a couple of weeks ago and it was 35C + all day and the last lap or two of each session towards the end of the day was burning through my leathers!

Im like you, looking for an excuse. Given how expensive the Termi full system is here in Oz, if you just have stock exhaust at the moment then I'd suggest considering the Austin Racing Inconel full system. PANIGALE GP2 EXHAUST SYSTEMS - austinracing

The power gains and sound are amazing, it's several Kg lighter than Termi and they reckon the Inconel dissipates heat so well that it can run with no heat shield. (Damn I'm going to order one myself!)

I've got the termi slip on WA... So got half the full system. Well kind of...... If I was going away from the termi I d have to go Akra but can't justify the cost of it. Beautiful looking system though the one your going for!!!

Good Friday was a hot day but no heat problems with leather pants on.

Today as we went down into the mist and rain at Robertson for a quick 150km run to the pie shop, I thought to myself thank you for the built in heater.

Track day I did last september at EC on hot day, I must admit did not notice the heat I was concentrating too much.

iceman said:

I know these heat covers have been discussed at length, I've came to the realisation that I need to do it. Had my first track day earlier in the week. It was amazing...loved the pani, felt the heat through my leathers on the way home from the track day stuck in traffic. 35 degree air temp whilst stuck in rush hour after a awesome day. I can honestly say its the most uncomfortable Ive ever felt on a bike. Bike made it to 107 degrees. The right indicator stopped working as well. I ve read this could be attributed to the heat on this forum.

So the question I'm asking myself is should I upgrade to the full system, I might be looking for excuses as I've always wanted it but the reviews on this forum with the slip on option being the best held me off. The bottom line is standard steel exhaust header cover is pretty un appealing. The head casing covering the beautiful magnesium isnt great but bearable and doesnt look too bad. The carbon exhaust cover looks a lot better than the steel IMO. So my thinking, trying to justify full termi upgrade is could some of the labor cost be absorbed for the exhaust manifold install with these warranty heat upgrades. Which is relatively labor intensive as well??? hmmmh what do you guys reckon?

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I understand the OP wanted is pondering going with a Full Termi system.

Huh .. Unsure where all this .. "the Termi system with just slip-ons is the best" is coming from ? Best for what ? Half a system certainly does not get you the best performance.

The best the Termi slip on gets you is a half a full racing system. Maybe it is own personal dislike of half measures - full system is what the 1199 was designed for hence the "RACING EVO" hook up. I always considered Ducati "bundling" the Termi slips on as an incentive to upgrade to a full bore racing exhaust. I got no problem with people having half a full Termi system, however I have a had time grasping where the truth & fact resides in this "the Termi system with jut slip-ons is the best" ?!??

BTW - Have you heard the sound from a ceramic coated titanium exhaust .. it sounds badass.

Full TERMI = no heat issues ladies.

CaliDuc said:

I understand the OP wanted is pondering going with a Full Termi system.

Huh .. Unsure where all this .. "the Termi system with just slip-ons is the best" is coming from ? Best for what ? Half a system certainly does not get you the best performance.

The best the Termi slip on gets you is a half a full racing system. Maybe it is own personal dislike of half measures - full system is what the 1199 was designed for hence the "RACING EVO" hook up. I always considered Ducati "bundling" the Termi slips on as an incentive to upgrade to a full bore racing exhaust.

BTW - Inconel is an alloy and not in the same league as a Ceramic Coating full titanium racing exhaust which is about as good as it gets for heat management (based on my own personal experience). Inconel is an alternative material that does have excellent heat management although kind of hard to compare the properties of ceramic coated titanium to Inconel alloy.

BTW - Have you heard the sound from a ceramic coated titanium exhaust .. it sounds badass.

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Actually, for aircraft it is protect them from corrision and damage from high heat. Considering how thin the coating is on an exhaust pipe, I seriously doubt it would prevent the pipe from getting as hot as a non-coated pipe. I mean, think of a plate of stainless or titanium steel sitting on your stove. With or with that thin coating, the metal will achieve the same temperature eventually.

CaliDuc said:

I understand the OP wanted is pondering going with a Full Termi system.

Huh .. Unsure where all this .. "the Termi system with just slip-ons is the best" is coming from ? Best for what ? Half a system certainly does not get you the best performance.

The best the Termi slip on gets you is a half a full racing system. Maybe it is own personal dislike of half measures - full system is what the 1199 was designed for hence the "RACING EVO" hook up. I always considered Ducati "bundling" the Termi slips on as an incentive to upgrade to a full bore racing exhaust. I got no problem with people having half a full Termi system, however I have a had time grasping where the truth & fact resides in this "the Termi system with jut slip-ons is the best" ?!??

BTW - Have you heard the sound from a ceramic coated titanium exhaust .. it sounds badass.

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Best value $ per HP. Its the general consensus.

WAfatboy said:

Best value $ per HP. Its the general consensus.

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Really ? The general consensus of people who don't even own nor have experience of a full 1199 exhaust system doing a value call - and you expect me to take this serious ?.

Nothing less than the full monty if your funds will stretch!

I have full Termi because warranty is not affected and as Ducati makes improvements they flow our way!

Whatever floats ya boat though cos in all guises this lil lady is a beast to ride at full tilt!

I have total faith that Ducati would not jeopardise their reputation by selling a full system that produces less than a Std with slip ons!

All due respect to those with different opinions of course but different dynos and without the proper air flow!........... Not to forget other systems want different fuel mapping and additional after market equipment to produce the magic results quoted.

Gavin D said:

Nothing less than the full monty if your funds will stretch!

I have full Termi because warranty is not affected and as Ducati makes improvements they flow our way!

Whatever floats ya boat though cos in all guises this lil lady is a beast to ride at full tilt!

I have total faith that Ducati would not jeopardise their reputation by selling a full system that produces less than a Std with slip ons!

All due respect to those with different opinions of course but different dynos and without the proper air flow!........... Not to forget other systems want different fuel mapping and additional after market equipment to produce the magic results quoted.

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+1. Now this is an opinion that is credible and congruent with my own personal experiences.

My memory is that, the story re slip ons being better and producing more power came from posts made by people pushing another exhaust system.

No axe to grind but that is where I believe it seemed to start. As I am not racing the std exhaust is good enough for me and so far for me heat is not an issue.

CaliDuc said:

I understand the OP wanted is pondering going with a Full Termi system.

Huh .. Unsure where all this .. "the Termi system with just slip-ons is the best" is coming from ? Best for what ? Half a system certainly does not get you the best performance.

The best the Termi slip on gets you is a half a full racing system. Maybe it is own personal dislike of half measures - full system is what the 1199 was designed for hence the "RACING EVO" hook up. I always considered Ducati "bundling" the Termi slips on as an incentive to upgrade to a full bore racing exhaust. I got no problem with people having half a full Termi system, however I have a had time grasping where the truth & fact resides in this "the Termi system with jut slip-ons is the best" ?!??

BTW - Have you heard the sound from a ceramic coated titanium exhaust .. it sounds badass.

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Really ? The general consensus of people who don't even own nor have experience of a full 1199 exhaust system doing a value call - and you expect me to take this serious ?.

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Seriously you want to take me to task? I was clarifying what he meant which you missed in his post.

He's referring to the various threads in the forum (from people who have the full system) which to my recollection were bemoaning the minimal performance difference over the slip-ons and that there were numerous full system owners that were hanging out for a new map or some other option to improve performance.

There is soooooo much misinformation but the maths seems pretty clear from what I've seen to date. Feel free to share a dyno chart to prove it otherwise.

The only direct comparison I've seen with the new up-map is this one.

Stock - 172hp
Termi Slip Ons - 181 hp
Full Termi - 185.33 hp

This is the thread I've quoted but there are many others..
http://ducati1199.com/ducati-1199/2891-test-performance-termignoni-new-upmap.html

The Ducati importer in Australian was even advising customers against fitting the system unless they were racing and were prepared to tune the hell out of it. Even the AR guys got only got 187 out of the full system with a rapid bike module.

For some people the extra 4-5hp and the looks and sound of the full system may justify the extra spend but if its power and performance you are after then its pretty hard to argue against the maths.

Slip-ons price $2039 = 9hp = $227/HP
Full System price $3569 = 14hp = $255/HP (being generous and saying 5hp extra)

Jeez just trying to clarify something and I've spent 20mins digging through old threads.

That covers it WA...To be honest the main reason I d like the full termi is looks ( larger manifold and CF header cover) and the sound. The HP, I don't think many of us would notice...I certainly wouldn't although taking Cali's point I do like the comfort of the Ducati supported hardware...which is another plus for the Termi systems against the Akra and Austin racings..any warranty issues it's covered no questions asked!! We all know warranty is invaluable with the numerous recalls/ upgrades so far...

iceman said:

That covers it WA...To be honest the main reason I d like the full termi is looks ( larger manifold and CF header cover) and the sound. The HP, I don't think many of us would notice...I certainly wouldn't although taking Cali's point I do like the comfort of the Ducati supported hardware...which is another plus for the Termi systems against the Akra and Austin racings..any warranty issues it's covered no questions asked!! We all know warranty is invaluable with the numerous recalls/ upgrades so far...

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I agree with the Ducati warranty scenario and I have all DP bits on my bike for that reason. In just over a year the warranty will be defunct and I'll come back to the argument again and maybe someone will have a decisive answer. In the meantime bought a HP4

iceman said:

That covers it WA...To be honest the main reason I d like the full termi is looks ( larger manifold and CF header cover) and the sound. The HP, I don't think many of us would notice...I certainly wouldn't although taking Cali's point I do like the comfort of the Ducati supported hardware...which is another plus for the Termi systems against the Akra and Austin racings..any warranty issues it's covered no questions asked!! We all know warranty is invaluable with the numerous recalls/ upgrades so far...

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Two long rides for me with my buddies on friday and Monday. Std exhaust and the bike was fun.

Saw another 1199 Sydney pilot today out near the Oaks and another on Friday down near Austimeer beach. Wondering if it was anyone on here.

You do not need a fancy exhaust just get out and have fun on this brilliant machine.

Congruent to his own experience, of which he doesn't detail. Just derides someone for making a statement.

Thanks for the extra detail wa!

The only data I wish we had is whether or not Ducati is going to sell a DP CF version of the heatshield for the stock exhaust. I don't like the idea of the new heat shield (black plastic outer covering) detracting from the rear view of the carbon rear fender or heel guards. We know they are releasing it for the full termi system so if they don't release it for the stock exhaust then, IMO, the full system starts to at least make a bit more sense than it did for a guy like me who was going to go the termi slip route. Price difference is about $1500 according to WA's post so if you factored in what you would pay for a DP carbon piece in addition to termi slips I think the price difference gets down to around $1k or possibly a hair under since that would be one seriously big piece of CF if DP sells it separately.