Tricolore and Termi exhaust

Hi guys

A bit of advice if possible: i am picking up my new Tricolore on Friday and the dealer says that he will not install the Termi exhausts until the 1000km service (i.e. after the running in period). Is this normal? This is also a pain because in France bikesvare restricted to 106cv and the only way to get the full power is with the Termi exhausts (although i admit this is not a big issue during the running period).

Also, he wants to be paid to install the exhausts which i find strange as i thought that they are standard n the Tricolore.

Cheers

Lee

It is normal.

I don't know about the getting paid to fit it at the first server. My first service on my base was free + parts from memory.

Trash

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I'd make an interesting comment about some views but I'll refrain for now.

Different countries have different regulations about what can and cannot be done. Also Ducati (and by extension their dealers) could have different policies regarding warranties, work, etc depending upon country customs ore regulations. . . .

In terms of termi slipons/full system - I believe Ducati's official line is that they prefer the bike to be run in before installing after market exhaust/upmaps/etc. Can you do this without - certainly. Hey I know people who took the bike on the track as the first few miles out after delivery (seriously). So it can be done and some even advocate it.

Now your situation in your country, could you force your hand and force the dealer to do it ? Sure you can. They could do one of various things, they can deny you warranty repair since you didn't follow their recommended break in, they could refuse to do it if their are regulations in place that prevent the exhaust from being fitted, or they could do it. All/any of those scenarios are possible. . There are certain countries in Europe (and elsewhere) where they have to deliver you a street legal emissions, power, etc bike upon transfer of new sale. They can do other modifications that then make it not legal afterward, but first delivery has to pass government regs. You might be in that situation so who knows. And if thats the case, chances are the termi slips are not compliant.

So, all sorts of scenarios. You're better off finding out what is the norm in France rather than listening to what some people are telling you what happens in the US. Because you're country will have a different set of norms, customs and regs than what we have here.

He is in France, they have different rules & regulations over there and the dealers work different, demanding it won't help.

He is lucky the dealer WILL even install it as it's not STREET legal in Europe, as far as I recall this.

CaliDuc said:

Ah .. anthem .. Do you have a Tricolore and a full system installed ?

With Ducati HQ 10 mins away, I actually did double check and the "official" line that I got was that you can put a full termi on at any time. So I did.

The rest I think is pretty obvious common sense.

Gunny -> Was "Anthem" the person who was causing all the drama a while back ?

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In terms of what bike I own. I own a Panigale with Termis but not the mid-pipe. But that doesn't matter here nor there as having the "full" system doesn't make anyone more or less of an authority for whether something like this is allowed in another country.. . If you think you've got a bigger cojones because you've got "more" of a bike and what that entails - be my guest.

Different countries, different regs, different customs.

Hmm, Ducati HQ 10 mins away ? Where does that put you ? That puts you in the old town of Bologna, right ? Last time I checked, Ducati USA in SoCal is NOT Ducati HQ. . . . But thats just a minor technicality.

BTW, I think the termi exhausts are marked for non-road use anyhow. Might not be as big an issue here in the US (outside of certain states), but in other countries, its a much larger issue. I know for a fact that certain countries have to deliver a road legal bike at purchase. I dont' know whether that applies in France or not and said - check with what normally happens in your country. Nothing wrong with that. Just because some US dealers will install non-road legal items doesn't mean other dealers in other countries will do the same thing. Hey some dealers here in the USA are even a bit prickly about installing non-street legal items.

I'll leave the rest of the drama as you call it as it is.

ShiftTechCarbon said:

He is in France, they have different rules & regulations over there and the dealers work different, demanding it won't help.

He is lucky the dealer WILL even install it as it's not STREET legal in Europe, as far as I recall this.

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Well here in Spain the dealer must supply the bike standard to gain the homologation papers to register the bike and get a license plate. The government can do a spot inspection at time of registration (this means even things like a DP screen would be a fail as its got a sharp edge rather than rolled!).

Changing to the termi would mean an emissions failure as the cat is in the original slip on.

My dealer registered the bike, sat on it for a week then fitted all the bits including the pipe. They did say they were happy to fit the exhaust but Ducati Europe recommends waiting until the first service. So sounds like the dealer is following Italy's advice.

They did charge two hours labour but fitted lots, with the margins they make and how few bikes they sell on this island you have to pay to keep them in business which I understand, I'd be screwed if they went broke!

France maybe similar? So all sounds normal to me here.

Jeeze guys! Delsubasio, do what your dealer asks - do not ask this forum how to treat him. Hopefully you will have a long relationship with him, and you do not want to start it off with threatening him. All the advice on this thread should have said "My experience was x, and your experience may vary" Not "Mine was x, make your dealer do x."

Trauma said:

Jeeze guys! Delsubasio, do what your dealer asks - do not ask this forum how to treat him. Hopefully you will have a long relationship with him, and you do not want to start it off with threatening him. All the advice on this thread should have said "My experience was x, and your experience may vary" Not "Mine was x, make your dealer do x."

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Since when have you become the voice of reason? Maybe you're just spending too much time in that damn chat room!

CaliDuc said:

The reason I asked if you had a Tricolore and a full Termi as this was the context of the original OP and the context of my response - period.

Opps I missed out Ducati 'NA / USA' HQ which is in Cupertino (10 mins away) and in the Bay Area. Point being, I checked with them as well.

It is OBVIOUS that I am referring from my experience which is in the USA.

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CaliDuc - and its obvious what I said as well. Check your regs, customs, delivery methods/situations in your country. . . It has nothing to do with full system or just the slips - both fall under non-road legal here and generally the rest of the world. And yes, I had slips on before the the first mile was ridden on the bike. But thats me and my dealer, here in the US. OP is in Europe (and within that France which has evens stricter engine max cc regs) and those are different than here. My first comment was mainly in reference that you can't tell another country's dealer that its "........" or whatever other colorful term because we were able to get it done here. .. Hey, I can exchange levers, calipers, MC's, fenders, windscreens, panels, wheels, rotors tires and do whatever else in this country, but there are others where items like the windscreen can't even be changed from what was delivered. I think someone from Spain just outlined what they have to deal with as well.

So nothing I said has been untrue. Just that we in the USA need to check our "our rules go for here and the rest of the world" as it just isn't that way. .

CaliDuc said:

It is NOT normal to perform 1000km before fitting a full Termi, your dealer is bullshitting you.

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And when you're saying something like that in response to the OP about foreign bike delivery and their regs - that is NOT as you say "OBVIOUS that I am referring from my experience which is in the USA."

Trauma said:

Jeeze guys! Delsubasio, do what your dealer asks - do not ask this forum how to treat him. Hopefully you will have a long relationship with him, and you do not want to start it off with threatening him. All the advice on this thread should have said "My experience was x, and your experience may vary" Not "Mine was x, make your dealer do x."

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CaliDuc - i'm not going to get into a debate of whether its good for the bike, etc of what should be done to break a bike in. I will say that I think its "normal" for them to tell purchasers that Ducati recommends this (<6k Redline, not install the Termi's, upmap, etc). I would believe that is the norm and a lot of people follow that break in period etc (you would be surprised even reading about the number of people here who follow it).

Now, there is another whole school of thought on that as well. Some dealers will mention it, some will prefer to toe the company line as you aren't going to generally have issues with people following that line. You might not have as well a performing bike, but thats another matter. ..

BTW, I follow the hammer on the bike philosophy - But we are really digressing to break in methods at this point.

I have deleted all my posts. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion and mine is I am in no mood to start arguing and upsetting people.

Lets move on.

Whew!

Well I think everything was pretty much covered and then some regarding installations in different countries and stuff...so I will refrain from further comment on that.

I will just comment on the part about having to pay for the install since I didn't see that part covered in a knock out brawl yet. For me the slip-on install was part of the purchase of the Tricolore and I had them installed at the first service. Not sure if that differs based on what country your in but I would think if its part of the package it wouldn't matter where you are.

Had the full Termi and upmap installed upon delivery of my Tricolore.
Dealer told me the more the bike can breathe, the better, and he was right

Justifire said:

Had the full Termi and upmap installed upon delivery of my Tricolore.
Dealer told me the more the bike can breathe, the better, and he was right

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Yea, but that's in Here (your profile)- dealers in There, may not want to do that until break in

delsubasio:
You are the customer and you can tell the dealer what to do.
Installing a race exhaust might lead into trouble all over europe, depending on your local police as well (own experience with open figarolis on the monster), but who cares, right ?

for them chagring for the install, well, if that's their business model...
ask for a "special deal" as you bought the bike as advertised. and you don't see a tricolore without termis anywhere (print, web, reality), right?

or go ahead and write ducati, i have contacted them before and their answers are quite constructive.


to veveryone here:
OT, but still important:

regarding this back and forth with opinions and knowledge - please don't insist on your opinion being the only right one here. accept others as they accept you.

keep the conversations clean and friendly.

thanks in the name of all forum members.