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weltonrk

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Food for thought; after looking at the Skulley Helmet promotion (HUD) it made me wonder once again. Why hasn't MOTOGP/WSB adopted some form of two way communication with riders and crew chief? Think about IRL, NASCAR, F1 they have it in place and it serves several functions (hazards on the track, split times, race strategy, car performance, pit in "MM") some even have spotters in the stands relying information. MOTOGP is still using "pit boards" how archaic! I do not think the cons would outweigh the pro???? THOUGHTS!!!!

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Not allowed per the FIM rules:
No signal of any kind may pass between a moving motorcycle and the
rider’s team, or anyone connected with the motorcycle’s team, entrant
or rider, except for the signals of the timekeeping transponder, lap
trigger, GPS (as per Art. 2.4.3.5.1), legible messages on a pit board,
or body movements by the rider or team. Onboard TV camera signals
are allowed, but only when such signals are for the purposes of and
managed by the Championship promoter.

Read rules here:
http://www.fim-live.com/fileadmin/a...dated_during_the_2013_season_(16_October).pdf

My opinion, it is time to allow them to talk to one another, at least start off by having the team talk to the rider (one way) and if that goes well, allow two way communication.

Plenty of spots on a track for the rider to listen and ride. These guys are awesome. F1 is equally demanding and they do it.

Chris
 
During the last great height of AMA Superbike in the early 2000's, the top teams (American Honda in particular) tried using this exact communications. Miguel Duhamel tried it for a season, and for whatever reason, it was abandoned. I don't recall if it was made illegal by AMA Pro Racing, but it just didn't seem to provide the benefits they thought it did.

Maybe another old-timer race fan remembers specifically what happened.
 
weltonrk said:
Food for thought; after looking at the Skulley Helmet promotion (HUD) it made me wonder once again. Why hasn't MOTOGP/WSB adopted some form of two way communication with riders and crew chief? Think about IRL, NASCAR, F1 they have it in place and it serves several functions (hazards on the track, split times, race strategy, car performance, pit in "MM") some even have spotters in the stands relying information. MOTOGP is still using "pit boards" how archaic! I do not think the cons would outweigh the pro???? THOUGHTS!!!!

:D
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This just explains the difference between Motorcycle racing and car racing :)
With motorcycle racing you set your strategy before the race and during the race you have to concentrate on winning and not someone disturbing you . During the race the only thing counting is to WIN and not split times, bike performance etc, because you cannot do anything about it anymore.
 
That is true to a certain degree Kraai, all forms of racing have a strategy before the race, but if they see it's not working they must adjust. Prime example JL during the last race his strategy was to bunch the riders up hopefully to have more riders in the fray, but when that did not work, he decided to just gap MM forcing him to make a mistake (did not work though.)
Winning is a byproduct if several factors, it just does not happen because your sole focus is to win. How far ahead or behind you are of your competition will dictate your strategy. If the performance of your bike is not operating at 100% in a certain area and the pits know that by looking at the telemetry, then if they are able to relay that information, it could be of great benefit to the rider.
What are some drawbacks though? Thanks!!!
 
weltonrk said:
That is true to a certain degree Kraai, all forms of racing have a strategy before the race, but if they see it's not working they must adjust. Prime example JL during the last race his strategy was to bunch the riders up hopefully to have more riders in the fray, but when that did not work, he decided to just gap MM forcing him to make a mistake (did not work though.)
Winning is a byproduct if several factors, it just does not happen because your sole focus is to win. How far ahead or behind you are of your competition will dictate your strategy. If the performance of your bike is not operating at 100% in a certain area and the pits know that by looking at the telemetry, then if they are able to relay that information, it could be of great benefit to the rider.
What are some drawbacks though? Thanks!!!
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Agreed
 
weltonrk said:
That is true to a certain degree Kraai, all forms of racing have a strategy before the race, but if they see it's not working they must adjust. Prime example JL during the last race his strategy was to bunch the riders up hopefully to have more riders in the fray, but when that did not work, he decided to just gap MM forcing him to make a mistake (did not work though.)
Winning is a byproduct if several factors, it just does not happen because your sole focus is to win. How far ahead or behind you are of your competition will dictate your strategy. If the performance of your bike is not operating at 100% in a certain area and the pits know that by looking at the telemetry, then if they are able to relay that information, it could be of great benefit to the rider.
What are some drawbacks though? Thanks!!!
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If you learn to rely on it and it fails you're scewed...
 
Phil said:
If you learn to rely on it and it fails you're scewed...
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Just like everything else on the bike already. Tires, one failure and your out.
TC, one failure and you are usually over the top and out.
Engine, one failure and it's game over.
And the list goes on and on and on.

I still believe they should at least provide one way communication from team to rider. Have it broadcast open so all teams and the media can pick it up. Could help with safety and race strategy. But I also believe the teams should be able to monitor data from the bike in real time and have it relayed back to the rider. Like tire is spinning up too much, or engine getting too hot, or brakes overheating. Things that would improve the chance of success but also minimize the risk to the riders.

F1 is incredible for a bunch of reasons. Live monitoring of the data is one of those reasons.

Chris
 
weltonrk said:
That is true to a certain degree Kraai, all forms of racing have a strategy before the race, but if they see it's not working they must adjust. Prime example JL during the last race his strategy was to bunch the riders up hopefully to have more riders in the fray, but when that did not work, he decided to just gap MM forcing him to make a mistake (did not work though.)
Winning is a byproduct if several factors, it just does not happen because your sole focus is to win. How far ahead or behind you are of your competition will dictate your strategy. If the performance of your bike is not operating at 100% in a certain area and the pits know that by looking at the telemetry, then if they are able to relay that information, it could be of great benefit to the rider.
What are some drawbacks though? Thanks!!!
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When racing winning is you main goal (at least it is mine:)). The pitboard shows you how far behind or ahead you are. When it comes to data from the bike the rider "does not feel" I agree with you. that info can be given to the rider to avoid accidents for example. But when it comes to bike set-up, the rider will feel it himself and will adjust his riding accordingly. And again, you just have to deal with it during a race, and get the best position possible, because you change your set-up anymore. Of course you can have remote control for your suspension, but an expirienced rider will set that up himself after his own feeling.
Drawback: loss in concetration and focus.
Pro: Have a chat when bored during a race and the above mentioned ;)
 

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