V4R or V4 25’ Anniversario 916

1st world problem alert lol

I have the chance to get either a bone stock brand new Panagali V4R then do some mods to it like Carbon fiber wheels and subframe with a full Akra titanium exhuast.

or

a Panagali V4 25 Anniversario 916 that already has the limited edition gold magnesium Superleggera wheels and a full Akra exhaust and is at 234 hp.This bike is a numbered limited edition numbered bike, totally unique specs from Ducati...I drove it and it made my V4S Streetfighter with Termi exhaust and upmap feel lazy and slow lol. This bike was bought by a rich guy for his fleet then sold back to the dealer after 900 miles to make room in his garage.

both bikes are about the same price, though I’d have to drop another $7k into doing the full Akra that the V4 25 Anniversario 916 already has on it.

I literally can’t decide which bike to get, and need to by Tuesday...give me your thoughts please

the #1 bike is the Anniversario and the red one is the V4R obviously

What're you going to use it for? Track, get the R, mainly road, get the 916.

What wil you be using it for? Street or trackdays? Do you care about the higher maintenance that comes with the R?

Will be mainly road driven with a hand full of track days per year...though when I say road risen I mean as a weekend toy for blowing off some steam in some curvy canyon runs

Steven31371 said:

Will be mainly road driven with a hand full of track days per year...though when I say road risen I mean as a weekend toy for blowing off some steam in some curvy canyon runs

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Taz said:

What wil you be using it for? Street or trackdays? Do you care about the higher maintenance that comes with the R?

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No the higher maintenance for the R is not a concern, I make a good living and Ducati Newport Beach will pic the bike up from my house then bring it back to my house for service...so that’s not a big concern.

I had a similar decision to make and chose the V4R. Haven't regretted the decision once. Purchased just before lockdown in Feb 2020.
Bought the R because I knew I would track it as well as use it on the street. Although I find it easy to ride on the street honestly, especially versus older ducati ‘track focused’ bikes. Purchased from the guys at Newport Beach Ducati with the tire and service pack for no hassle maintenance. Awesome service and wouldn’t change my decision if given the opportunity.

Then personally I would go with the R. Haven't ridden one myself, but people seem to love them and it just appears more special to me. It's a rev monster though, so depends if that's something you would enjoy. And I personally don't like the 916 Fogarty theme that much. Just doesn't do anything for me aesthetically or sentimentally.

The R with the full system, levers and rear sets. Otherwise, the one that's been coated in super glue and rolled in the parts bin.

SodaO said:

The R with the full system, levers and rear sets. Otherwise, the one that's been coated in super glue and rolled in the parts bin.

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that parts bin bit is a concern of mine, because I haven’t been able to find any real world track test reviews.

it seems like they are trying to make a V4R with the 1103 engine in it...or a collectors version of the V4SP

but I’m not sure how sorted they got the part mix and electronics lol

it’s fast as hell in a straight line, but I didn’t get to feel it out much beyond that.

V4R and never look back

Chocolate or vanilla

Steven31371 said:

that parts bin bit is a concern of mine, because I haven’t been able to find any real world track test reviews.

it seems like they are trying to make a V4R with the 1103 engine in it...or a collectors version of the V4SP

but I’m not sure how sorted they got the part mix and electronics lol

it’s fast as hell in a straight line, but I didn’t get to feel it out much beyond that.

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The geometry between a 21 R will be significantly different to the older bike. Better forks on the R (now on 20 and above Pani's and SF), changed chain angle, blasted inside frame to mention those that I know off the top of my head. It's pretty easy to add everything that the anniversary comes with but only the R has the R engine. All of these bikes are compromised by the stock exhaust. No one wants it, least of all the Ducati engineers and designers. Get and R, get a full system (or even the race end cans which remove the cat), the map that comes with that so the bike actually uses petrol below 4,000 RPM and rear sets to replace the built to slip, stock ones.

The 916 is an "S" with funny parts. The "R" is an "R". That's it.

there's a 21 R? I guess it's still on the website as part of the line up so maybe theyre still making them

SodaO said:

The geometry between a 21 R will be significantly different to the older bike. Better forks on the R (now on 20 and above Pani's and SF), changed chain angle, blasted inside frame to mention those that I know off the top of my head. It's pretty easy to add everything that the anniversary comes with but only the R has the R engine. All of these bikes are compromised by the stock exhaust. No one wants it, least of all the Ducati engineers and designers. Get and R, get a full system (or even the race end cans which remove the cat), the map that comes with that so the bike actually uses petrol below 4,000 RPM and rear sets to replace the built to slip, stock ones.

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One of the things that stood out to me about the S25A916 is that it has the same front end geometry and suspension front and back as the R but it has something R doesn’t have, the customizable Dynamic Suspension electronics.

I’m not new to Motorsports, I have Porsches that I’ve tracked for decades, but I’m relatively new to sport bikes, less than 6 months, but I’m in love and will track whatever bike I get next, but there will be a learning curve and I’m 50 years old haha.

so what it’s coming down do is, do I want the bike with that great R suspension geometry with the Dynamic Suspension (as far as I know that Anniversario is the only bike they have with the R shocks AND Dynamic Suspension) but then I loose that glorious high Erving R engine.

Or do I get that glorious high revving R engine but lose some electronics that are good for me as a newish sport bike rider

given that I have an 1100 whp Porsche with 850 torque normally I’d go for the engine every time...but I also have a learning curve learning this bike

SodaO said:

The geometry between a 21 R will be significantly different to the older bike. Better forks on the R (now on 20 and above Pani's and SF), changed chain angle, blasted inside frame to mention those that I know off the top of my head. It's pretty easy to add everything that the anniversary comes with but only the R has the R engine. All of these bikes are compromised by the stock exhaust. No one wants it, least of all the Ducati engineers and designers. Get and R, get a full system (or even the race end cans which remove the cat), the map that comes with that so the bike actually uses petrol below 4,000 RPM and rear sets to replace the built to slip, stock ones.

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I have a 2021 Streetfighter V4S that I’ve lightened up a bit and have Termi Catless race cans on it with upmap...and it’s not nearly as fast as the Anniversario they let me test ride lol

I was suprised at how much harder the Anniversario pulled with the full Akra it has on it.

below are my other two bikes

6 months into sport bike riding? Seriously it's not going to make any difference at your level what you choose.

Make up a list of what's important to you and be brutal, so far Ive got that engine performance is number one and if that is the case then go for the R model. There is a thread with the discussion about the electronic Ohlins, its worth reading but the gist of it is that it works very well but if you know what you are doing then manual suspension is potentially far better for track use.

Forget the marketing hype, some little software feature or different chain angle between models is not going to allow you to ride like Pirro but I would argue that the 916 is a better all round bike for you in practical terms given your experience. As I mentioned earlier its chocolate or vanilla, its your money and in the end either bike will be well beyond you and equally as intimidation at full throttle and full lean. I dont mean this as a put down, these bikes performance are well beyond the majority of their owners.

Personally if it was me I'd ride both back to back and make the decision based on that experience, but since you already own a streetfighter and if keeping that then it really has to be the R

V4R would get my vote no question.

Paul G said:

6 months into sport bike riding? Seriously it's not going to make any difference at your level what you choose.

Make up a list of what's important to you and be brutal, so far Ive got that engine performance is number one and if that is the case then go for the R model. There is a thread with the discussion about the electronic Ohlins, its worth reading but the gist of it is that it works very well but if you know what you are doing then manual suspension is potentially far better for track use.

Forget the marketing hype, some little software feature or different chain angle between models is not going to allow you to ride like Pirro but I would argue that the 916 is a better all round bike for you in practical terms given your experience. As I mentioned earlier its chocolate or vanilla, its your money and in the end either bike will be well beyond you and equally as intimidation at full throttle and full lean. I dont mean this as a put down, these bikes performance are well beyond the majority of their owners.

Personally if it was me I'd ride both back to back and make the decision based on that experience, but since you already own a streetfighter and if keeping that then it really has to be the R

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believe me, I understand from all the Porsche track years that track time and learning is going to get me way faster lap times than which bike I get for the foreseeable future...what it really comes down to for me is the experience and sensations of riding it, not lap times at my age lol

I think this year I’m going to break the world record for the fastest Porsche convertible at the airstrip events I run...so this bike is about maximum acceleration fun, and maximum fun on the curves with no ego about using nannies to keep me a bit safer....so the clear choice would seem to be the Anniversario...BUT I know myself LOL, if I twist that gas grip and don’t get as much acceleration rush as I’m looking for (my car does an 8 second quarter and 1.9 second 0 to 6) then I’m going to be hungry for more haha

so maybe the question I should be asking is which bike will accelerate harder if both are running a 234 hp full Akra setups, and both (I assume) about the same weight with Carbon fiber subframes and wheels etc.

that’s hard to tell as I don’t have a full Akra R to try...the Anniversario has more displacement, but the R has lighter engine internals and will spin up faster and has a lot higher rpm...so I could go either way on paper I think, wondering in real life which one pulls harder from a roll when you twist the fun handle