Paul, look what you just wrote "they don't stand up to scientific scrutiny even though you fervently believe in them and have a personal experience". You basically said that someones personal experience, something they actually went through isn't valid because scientific evidence doesn't support it. They ....... imagined the whole thing. No wonder NZ is locking you down.
Well, there you have it
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The figure you quoted comprises of anyone who died and tested positive for Covid. Not necessarily from Covid. For example if you were involved in a car accident and your head was lopped off but you had a positive Covid test within the last week you would be included in that figure. Or if you had advanced lung cancer and were in hospice care and died but tested positive for Covid you would also be included in that figure. So no one knows the true number of people who died from Covid.
Hospitalizations are another are where the numbers have been "massaged". Here in the US one might think the number of people who were in a "hospital bed" was extremely high. But what is the definition of a hospital bed that is being used? Well I will tell you..... If you tested positive for Covid and you went to your doctor, and your doctor tells you to go home and stay in bed.... You are now in a "hospital bed"
No I did not hear this from someone nor did I read it on the internet... I was present at a county board of supervisors public meet where these directives to the County Health Department were read out loud. The directives came from the State of California Health Department. So the next question is, if Covid is so deadly, why pad the stats?
Here in the US on average of 70,000 people die per year from the flu and we have the "Flu shot" available. There are no mask mandates, vaccine mandates, no lockdowns, no travel bans, why not? Maybe because the people who died were already close to the end of their life to begin with and the flu just pushed them over the edge.
Now are there some people who Covid has been fatal? Yes... However the overwhelming majority of fatalities result from comorbidity conditions or compromised immune systems. The vast majority of people who get Covid feel like crap for a few days then they are fine. And that's with no drug treatment! There are a few medications out there that have been proven to really kick Covid's ...! But for some strange reason people are not allowed to know about them. Doctors who have been treating patients have been ordered to shut up. Why?
In 2018 there were 2,839,205 people that died just in the United States. If you go back a few years that's about an average number for us.
Hospitalizations are another are where the numbers have been "massaged". Here in the US one might think the number of people who were in a "hospital bed" was extremely high. But what is the definition of a hospital bed that is being used? Well I will tell you..... If you tested positive for Covid and you went to your doctor, and your doctor tells you to go home and stay in bed.... You are now in a "hospital bed"
No I did not hear this from someone nor did I read it on the internet... I was present at a county board of supervisors public meet where these directives to the County Health Department were read out loud. The directives came from the State of California Health Department. So the next question is, if Covid is so deadly, why pad the stats?
Here in the US on average of 70,000 people die per year from the flu and we have the "Flu shot" available. There are no mask mandates, vaccine mandates, no lockdowns, no travel bans, why not? Maybe because the people who died were already close to the end of their life to begin with and the flu just pushed them over the edge.
Now are there some people who Covid has been fatal? Yes... However the overwhelming majority of fatalities result from comorbidity conditions or compromised immune systems. The vast majority of people who get Covid feel like crap for a few days then they are fine. And that's with no drug treatment! There are a few medications out there that have been proven to really kick Covid's ...! But for some strange reason people are not allowed to know about them. Doctors who have been treating patients have been ordered to shut up. Why?
In 2018 there were 2,839,205 people that died just in the United States. If you go back a few years that's about an average number for us.
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Not sure what a death toll from the civil war has to do with this but if we're gonna go there, roughly 2% of the population lost their lives during the American civil war. Taken as a percentage of today's population, the death toll would be around 6 million.
Roughly 0.02% of the population have died from the Kung Pao Sicken. But feel free to hide in your house until the government tells you it's safe to go outside.
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The problem I have with all this is if this wasn't all a bunch of B.S. that's driven by money, why is the fda granting emergency use authorization for the vaccine which obviously has no long-term history to go off of to determine the safety of the vaccine but speaks so negatively about how harmful ivermectin is and how it shouldn't be used to treat covid when there hasn't been any proof to show how harmful it is to use? The world's objective is FARRRR from keeping mankind safe and healthy. Plenty of money to be made by mandating vaccines and more money to be made by the number of deaths due to covid for the hospital. This could be a form of population control. Who in the hell knows at this point.
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.... Endo, I thought you were too smart to be fooled by these attention whores
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The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation
Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?
He cant see the point..prolly never will. This is the problem with this country...and really i blame Trump for ushering it to the surface so quickly. People were already distrustful of media and science, Trump made it cool to call everything that didn't fit his agenda "fake news".....
People see a few things in their inner circle and bubble and then falsely apply that to the whole nation, or even the world. Its dangerous. 600K dead...when will they care?? They wont, because its all BS data, supplied by liberal hippies with an agenda to take away our rights and guns.
I could go on and on...but whats the point? The die is cast...this country is doomed, we are in the last 100yrs of the empire. Hell people in this country are celebrating the fall of Afghanistan to the "religious ultra conservative Taliban".... And if they had their way, we would institute our own version of a theocracy...
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Dude, this is one of the most ignorant posts I have seen so far, IT is you opinion and I respect that part of it and that’s it.
“Trump made it cool to call everything that didn’t fit his agenda fake news” REALLY!?
Please don’t tell us of which political views are yours, how is that relevant in this Covid discussion!? ( don’t worry we don’t give a .... who’s political “guidance “ you adore)
Covid killed 600k, OK fair enough!
How many milions have contracted it and recovered?
How many people has been KILLED by cancer so far, where is magic vaccine!?
How many people has been KILLED by (insert here any deadly disease that has been killing people for decades and no magic vaccine)
“When will they care”? Very good question but pointed to wrong people. People you had in mind are good American’s who are worried about theirs and their family well being and you try to make their concern sound like they are some kind of terrorist. Maybe you should ask that question people who made choices between saving people with cancer or let them suffer like animals and die!?
…agenda to take our rights and guns!
Where are your rights when you as tax payer have less rights than for example person who crossed border illegally? You commit crime you get arrested you go to jail. They already committed crime coming illegally, commit crime get arrested and get released!
On and on and on…
If there is someone who is celebrating what is happening in Afghanistan, I can see that because they are product of our failing education, society which is turning our future (our kids) into brainwashed morons.
I do agree with you that this country is definitely going in wrong direction. I came to this GREAT country as refugee 25 years ago without ANYTHING and got nothing for free but opportunity to work and made good for myself.
Please don’t tell me how bad is here in US or how bad you have it or dude in NZ because you have no ....... idea what bad is.
What amazes me is desire of people who enjoyed benefits of this wonderful country for decades to destroy it, freaking mind blowing!
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Lol. Talk about a caricature of progressive incoherence.
The only way a person can blame Trump for the state of sociopolitical discourse is to be profoundly ignorant of US sociopolitics over the last 30 years. The Democrats conducted a high tech lynching of a black Supreme Court justice appointee, called another appointee a serial rapist over ridiculously unsubstantiated allegations, and then ignored far more credible allegations against the presidential candidate that their party forced upon them (Biden) over their clearly chosen candidate (Bernie) who then sold out and endorsed the guy that his party f’d him with.
Democrats called Bush a racist because of a hurricane, called Romney and Pence misogynists, and Kanye West, Lil Wayne, Candace Owens, and any black Trump supporter “race traitors”.
They also stared into cameras and insisted violent riots were “mostly peaceful protests”, and then insisted that covid was so dangerous that attending church was forbidden but that tens of thousands of people rioting without social distancing or masks was totally fine.
Takes a special kind of stupid to conclude that the current state of affairs is due to a single individual who wasn’t elected to office until 2016.
Much better response thank you. I'm not old enough to have been paying attention for the past 30yrs. Ive been paying attention since since MAY 2001 when I enlisted in the USN. I do agree it is fallacy to lay all the blame on Trump...however, he is the guy that brought the out worst of us (both sides). He did nothing to unify and was wholly unfit for the office.
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Are you a JAG officer? Additionally, if Trump was wholly unfit, for the position, who would you say is a good fit?
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not JAG officer, enlisted. Submarines.
FIT? Bush, Clinton, Obama, McCain, Romney, Bernie.... Had policy issues with each. The Bush years were an eye opener for me, and when I broke out of the backwards .... hole i was raised in (oklahoma), I really came face to face with what I heard all my life (politics and religion), and what I was seeing right in front of me...... Really started questioning things. .
I will say coming from a very racist background, and being raised to believe anyone who didn't follow the holy book was going to hell....really left an imprint on me. So from that standpoint have been mostly liberal my adult life.
Anyways back to Bush...i never questioned his patriotism and love for this country. John McCain is another that comes to mind, would have liked to see him as president as well, the man was a hero, and really his type of Republican is the only type I can have actual conversation with. Although his selection of Palin (precursor to Trump, and in my mind a primer for what was to come), was bizarre. Romney ran on republican platform, and supported many liberal ideals. Namely universal health care... People hated on Obama for his apology tour....I thought it was the right thing to do after the Bush years...
Listening to McCain, Romney, Liz C....and a few others talk about what Trump was doing to Republicans really hit home for me. He was a cancer and blight on this nation...and they rose above the partisan BS to call it out. They are the type of conservatives I would support.
This is much better than name calling, and our ability to have discourse with each other and try to understand each other is critical. I appreciate the turn we are taking in this thread.
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“So from that standpoint have been mostly liberal my adult life”
Clinton‘s, Obama, Sanders FIT!?
And people there you have it cat is finally out of the bag, of course it was / still is orange man fault. Even though man has been out of the office for 8 months somehow he is still running this country down to the gutter by his incompetence. People like you must bring themselves somehow to the point of letting go and accept the facts. I know it is hard but you can do it.
Best of luck to you
Clinton‘s, Obama, Sanders FIT!?
And people there you have it cat is finally out of the bag, of course it was / still is orange man fault. Even though man has been out of the office for 8 months somehow he is still running this country down to the gutter by his incompetence. People like you must bring themselves somehow to the point of letting go and accept the facts. I know it is hard but you can do it.
Best of luck to you
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