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You literally have quite an alarming amount of divide within what is supposed to be a highly educated community and you blame the layman for being ignorant. The scientific community and its head puppet (who admitted in media to lying) Fauci has an entire omelette on its face. Best to STFU and regroup when you can get some cohesive and congruent content amongst yourselves. .... like this isn’t doing anything for your credibility.
 
The only thing racsnak presents on here is a bunch of useless garbage he has no education or skills.


Yet completely uninterested in presenting anything but biased data to foster your position. Your the problem. And didn’t you make some comment about my mom on another thread and some banter about Mick playing with Craig’s nuts? I’m calling BS on your credentials. Those comments are hardly the verbiage on an educated researcher.
 
This is the confusion. This.
My friend worked in the lab at UCSF 25 years evaluating vaccines. Not "a scientist," a PhD vaccine researcher & MD / Professor.
They failed the Pfizer vaccine.
The lab management from the University said, 'Pfizer is funding the lab, no one publishes this.'
2 scientists quit, 1 was fired

This is what's going on. It's a shitshow.

Ya there's a problem. Everyone has ideas and is experimenting.
Some are making $billions with either extortion, political power grabs granting massive favors in a real crisis
Some are just getting rid of the problem, back to India, looks like they don't "need" covid, they just moved on.
Look at the US, milking covid as THE business opportinity #1 next century.
Who's going to trust info in such a shitshow? No one knows what to believe any more.

It's not logical to decide that there is only one solution and it's the one being sold on every TV channel. There will be many solutions and some are readily available and cost little. Other solutions will be expensive and require gov't funding and will have been graced by the powerful so they can channel whatever nightmare they are cooking up.
This is standard in every damn crisis.


Rac your problem is that your highly regarded “science” department is responsible for the very banter you despise. The science community is all over the map. They constantly disagree with each other, they constantly change their positions and they have in many cases presented poor information. It’s no wonder it’s difficult to understand. The very people presenting it do a piss poor job at convincing a lot of people that they have any idea WTF they are doing. You really can’t blame ignorance here.

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... Meanwhile stupid me, I rode 120 miles yesterday and I’m doing another 100 today. Friday I’m getting on a plane full of people and going to Kona for a few days then I’m going to an unmasked motogp event in TX. Enjoy your bunker. We’ll send pics.
 
I read this and thought to share it, because it sums up this .... show that we have going on!

“The protected need protection against unprotected by forcing the unprotected to take the protection that didn’t protect protected” :)
 
The EU has downgraded the covid shots as they are not Vaccines - they do not provide immunity.

Meanwhile the FDA who just approved the Pfizer shots as "vaccines," decided obviously -- "well fuckit" - and the CDC changed the definition of "vaccine."

UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE

➡️ BEFORE Immunization Basics | CDC
"Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose."

➡️ AFTER Immunization Basics | CDC
"Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose."

How can anyone trust this shitshow?
 
The sound of .... hitting the fan

More news on Ivermectin


Indian Bar Association Serves Legal Notice Upon Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, the Chief Scientist, WHO
for her alleged act of spreading disinformation and thus misleading the people of India, in order to fulfill her own agenda, so the plaintiff’s action declares. It is reported that Dr. Soumya Swaminathan deliberately ignored and suppressed the FLCCC and BIRD Panel’s data regarding the effectiveness of the drug Ivermectin, with an intent to dissuade the people of India from using Ivermectin. Moreover, the nation of India has included ivermectin in their national protocol and, as TrialSite recently reported, in states where the treatment is in wide use an unprecedented reduction of cases is now reported.

"If a trial in India finds WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan guilty then the WHO Scientist could be sentenced to death or life in prison. Dr Soumya Swaminathan would have be charged with the threatened criminal prosecution and be found guilty on one of the those charges."

Subject: Contempt of Court and aggravated offences against humanity by spreading disinformation about the drug ‘Ivermectin’, despite having full knowledge of the Judgment passed by the Hon’ble High Court of Bombay at Goa dated May 28, 2021

 
Another thing

They blamed China for the virus. What's puzzling is their death count is less than 5 thousand and less than 100 thousand positive cases and they've been averaging less than 30 positives a day. For a country with well over a billion population, it's pretty hard to believe it came from china. They must have the actual cure too and not sharing it with any other country.
 
Gee another deep red state rationing health care


So you guys who claim it’s just like the flu, can you point to other times with the flu where care was rationed? No you can’t. Idahooooo, yea baby. Gonna be less Trump voters around.
Nope, I can’t then again I don’t ever remember a flu covered 24/7 by the media inciting global nonsense. You put this media with the 2015 flue season, you’re getting the same results. It’s the flu with its own media armada.

Less Trump voters, I see. Id say “enjoy your new tax increase” but, your obviously not in that category and it looks like you will be receiving that free check into 2022. What are you and the rest of the broke left going to do when you run out of other peoples money?
 
This is the confusion. This.
My friend worked in the lab at UCSF 25 years evaluating vaccines. Not "a scientist," a PhD vaccine researcher & MD / Professor.
They failed the Pfizer vaccine.
The lab management from the University said, 'Pfizer is funding the lab, no one publishes this.'
2 scientists quit, 1 was fired

This is what's going on. It's a shitshow.

Ya there's a problem. Everyone has ideas and is experimenting.
Some are making $billions with either extortion, political power grabs granting massive favors in a real crisis
Some are just getting rid of the problem, back to India, looks like they don't "need" covid, they just moved on.
Look at the US, milking covid as THE business opportinity #1 next century.
Who's going to trust info in such a shitshow? No one knows what to believe any more.

It's not logical to decide that there is only one solution and it's the one being sold on every TV channel. There will be many solutions and some are readily available and cost little. Other solutions will be expensive and require gov't funding and will have been graced by the powerful so they can channel whatever nightmare they are cooking up.
This is standard in every damn crisis.




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Ha! Right right. I have a friend of a friend from Trinidad who got the vaccine & became impotent. His testicles became swollen…

I like how a select few on this forum have uncovered a worldwide secret cabal of biologists, virologists, epidemiologists, and health care leaders to prolong COVID and line the pockets of vaccine makers. Someone needs to alert the FBI of this diabolical plan.
 
The sound of .... hitting the fan

More news on Ivermectin


Indian Bar Association Serves Legal Notice Upon Dr. Soumya Swaminathan, the Chief Scientist, WHO
for her alleged act of spreading disinformation and thus misleading the people of India, in order to fulfill her own agenda, so the plaintiff’s action declares. It is reported that Dr. Soumya Swaminathan deliberately ignored and suppressed the FLCCC and BIRD Panel’s data regarding the effectiveness of the drug Ivermectin, with an intent to dissuade the people of India from using Ivermectin. Moreover, the nation of India has included ivermectin in their national protocol and, as TrialSite recently reported, in states where the treatment is in wide use an unprecedented reduction of cases is now reported.

"If a trial in India finds WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan guilty then the WHO Scientist could be sentenced to death or life in prison. Dr Soumya Swaminathan would have be charged with the threatened criminal prosecution and be found guilty on one of the those charges."

Subject: Contempt of Court and aggravated offences against humanity by spreading disinformation about the drug ‘Ivermectin’, despite having full knowledge of the Judgment passed by the Hon’ble High Court of Bombay at Goa dated May 28, 2021
Dude, the source of this article is a lot suspect… TrialSiteNews? What a credible site.

And please share your concrete understanding of the mechanism of action for ivermectin and covid treatment and clinical efficacy. I’d love to hear it.

And you never answered whether your were covid positive when you took ivermectin.
 
Here is the biggest issue and one you could fix if the pro vaccine pushers would include the details they don’t want to include. Why do you keep saying vaccinated vs unvaccinated instead of protected vs unprotected.

You conveniently leave out natural protection from your narrative as if the individuals immune system has no relevance and that’s why you have so many detractors. You want to spin it how you want to spin it.

In my particular case my immune system did for me a spectacular job and afforded me the same level of protection as you claim with the vaccine plus I have the benefit of not falling victim to any vaccine related issues but I’m not vaccinated so I’m in the same category as an un-infected non vaccinated person and that’s crap and you know it which is exactly why you continue to use vac vs unvac. There are millions of “PROTECTED” Americans that are unvaccinated but you conveniently don’t categorize them in the vaccinated category because it’s not a shot from a syringe.
 
Gee another deep red state rationing health care


So you guys who claim it’s just like the flu, can you point to other times with the flu where care was rationed? No you can’t. Idahooooo, yea baby. Gonna be less Trump voters around.
But what about those death panels that Qonservatives were complaining about with Obamacare??!?!?!??? Now there truly are death panels. Hospitals are literally turning away people because they can’t care for them. This is America, where freedom means free-dumb.
 
Here is the biggest issue and one you could fix if the pro vaccine pushers would include the details they don’t want to include. Why do you keep saying vaccinated vs unvaccinated instead of protected vs unprotected.

You conveniently leave out natural protection from your narrative as if the individuals immune system has no relevance and that’s why you have so many detractors. You want to spin it how you want to spin it.

In my particular case my immune system did for me a spectacular job and afforded me the same level of protection as you claim with the vaccine plus I have the benefit of not falling victim to any vaccine related issues but I’m not vaccinated so I’m in the same category as an un-infected non vaccinated person and that’s crap and you know it which is exactly why you continue to use vac vs unvac. There are millions of “PROTECTED” Americans that are unvaccinated but you conveniently don’t categorize them in the vaccinated category because it’s not a shot from a syringe.
Because advocating for natural immunity is a dangerous game that has killed more than 1 in 500 Americans. In the same light, what’s the problem with just getting the vaccine? Even if you have natural immunity you’ll be even more protected. Did you argue and pitch a ..... fit when you got your tetanus shot?
 
Because advocating for natural immunity is a dangerous game that has killed more than 1 in 500 Americans. In the same light, what’s the problem with just getting the vaccine? Even if you have natural immunity you’ll be even more protected. Did you argue and pitch a ..... fit when you got your tetanus shot?
A dangerous game?, I see. That's a pretty bold statement to make for a system that has done a pretty spectacular job in the last few millions of years. So like I said, I'm not anti vax. Never have been. I simply make decisions for myself personally, based on my own experience. That being said if someone can show me that the vax with my scenario offers me something more, ill get the damn thing. The problem as I alluded to yesterday is that there are just as many scientific reviews that say I am better off without the vac as there are saying that I will be more protected. So again, the complete inability for science to come to common ground has the people divided. Right now, I am not convinced the vaccine affords me better protection. I mean how much better does it get than asymptomatic. However, I am open to it should the data present itself. So far it hasn't. If you have some compelling data, that suggest otherwise, I am certainly open to considering the vax. I think that's fairly rational. With regard to tetanus, the pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics make that comparison somewhat of a stretch for a comparison.
 
This is the confusion. This.
My friend worked in the lab at UCSF 25 years evaluating vaccines. Not "a scientist," a PhD vaccine researcher & MD / Professor.
They failed the Pfizer vaccine.
The lab management from the University said, 'Pfizer is funding the lab, no one publishes this.'
2 scientists quit, 1 was fired

This is what's going on. It's a shitshow.

Ya there's a problem. Everyone has ideas and is experimenting.
Some are making $billions with either extortion, political power grabs granting massive favors in a real crisis
Some are just getting rid of the problem, back to India, looks like they don't "need" covid, they just moved on.
Look at the US, milking covid as THE business opportinity #1 next century.
Who's going to trust info in such a shitshow? No one knows what to believe any more.

It's not logical to decide that there is only one solution and it's the one being sold on every TV channel. There will be many solutions and some are readily available and cost little. Other solutions will be expensive and require gov't funding and will have been graced by the powerful so they can channel whatever nightmare they are cooking up.
This is standard in every damn crisis.




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Ahhh the ol sucker the government into paying vaccine makers billions just to lose TRILLIONS on the back end… This is Pulitzer winning investigative journalism!!! Business closures due to COVID-19 could cost U.S. trillions in GDP
 

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