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endodoc said:
A dangerous game?, I see. That's a pretty bold statement to make for a system that has done a pretty spectacular job in the last few millions of years. So like I said, I'm not anti vax. Never have been. I simply make decisions for myself personally, based on my own experience. That being said if someone can show me that the vax with my scenario offers me something more, ill get the damn thing. The problem as I alluded to yesterday is that there are just as many scientific reviews that say I am better off without the vac as there are saying that I will be more protected. So again, the complete inability for science to come to common ground has the people divided. Right now, I am not convinced the vaccine affords me better protection. I mean how much better does it get than asymptomatic. However, I am open to it should the data present itself. So far it hasn't. If you have some compelling data, that suggest otherwise, I am certainly open to considering the vax. I think that's fairly rational. With regard to tetanus, the pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics make that comparison somewhat of a stretch for a comparison.
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You know that science is iterative, right? I mean people back in Middle Ages thought the earth was flat when it was known by the Greeks in 500 BC that it was round.

Please provide sources of these “scientific reviews that say [you’re] better off without the vac.”

Please explain pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics and how it relates to this discussion. Like how is ivermectin better pharmocodynamically to the vaccine? Copy and pasting big words that you don’t know what they mean doesn’t make you look smart. But I’m not surprised.
 
rac1ngsnak3 said:
You know that science is iterative, right? I mean people back in Middle Ages thought the earth was flat when it was known by the Greeks in 500 BC that it was round.

Please provide sources of these “scientific reviews that say [you’re] better off without the vac.”

Please explain pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics and how it relates to this discussion. Like how is ivermectin better pharmocodynamically to the vaccine? Copy and pasting big words that you don’t know what they mean doesn’t make you look smart. But I’m not surprised.
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And once again you display why no one take you seriously. You automatically assume I lack credentials to use the verbiage I choose. A legitimate researcher would never assume that.

You also pose a pharmacodynamic question regarding two compounds that share next to nothing in the way of mechanistic action. A legitimate researcher would never pose that question. Pfizer vs Moderna? Ibuprofen vs acetaminophen? Sure. mRNA vac vs Ivermectin. LOL. No one would ask that. Dude your a complete phony.
 
And just because you asked for one there ya go. How valid is it? Just as valid as all the crap you post
 

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endodoc said:
And once again you display why no one take you seriously...
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Yep.

“… The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t…”

Source: unk
 
rac1ngsnak3 said:
You know that science is iterative, right? I mean people back in Middle Ages thought the earth was flat when it was known by the Greeks in 500 BC that it was round.

Please provide sources of these “scientific reviews that say [you’re] better off without the vac.”

Please explain pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics and how it relates to this discussion. Copy and pasting big words that you don’t know what they mean doesn’t make you look smart. But I’m not surprised.
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endodoc said:
And once again you display why no one take you seriously. You automatically assume I lack credentials to use the verbiage I choose. A legitimate researcher would never assume that.

You also pose a pharmacodynamic question regarding two compounds that share next to nothing in the way of mechanistic action. A legitimate researcher would never pose that question. Pfizer vs Moderna? Ibuprofen vs acetaminophen? Sure. mRNA vac vs Ivermectin. LOL. No one would ask that. Dude your a complete phony.
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Why wouldn’t a legitimate researcher ask this question? It’s valid. I’m trying to understand your lack of understanding. Researchers always are cynical and skeptical. That’s literally research. You literally question things. You question others work. You question your work. You learn something new and add it to the body of research. You find something questionable with other people’s research and you test it. You refine and make small steps to better understanding. It’s never-ending and changes all the time.

So please explain to us the mechanism of action of the Covid vaccine and the tetanus vaccine and how they work and why they’re different and not comparable. I know how they work. It’s actually quite simple. And although there are differences between the Covid and tetanus vaccines they fundamentally do the same thing.
 
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endodoc said:
And just because you asked for one there ya go. How valid is it? Just as valid as all the crap you post
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I don’t question that natural immunity is better than the vaccine. It’s how you achieve natural immunity that’s the problem. You. Literally. Have. To. Get. Covid. To. Get. Natural. Immunity. Those 600,000 Americans that died trying to get natural immunity might tell you that’s a bad idea.

And if you’re proposing that natural immunity is the be-all-end-all then try getting natural immunity to tetanus or smallpox.
 
craig bush said:
Yep.

“… The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions. Never waste time on discussions that make no sense. There are people who, for all the evidence presented to them, do not have the ability to understand. Others who are blinded by ego, hatred and resentment, and the only thing that they want is to be right even if they aren’t…”

Source: unk
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.... off Qraig. You literally add nothing to this discussion.
 
rac1ngsnak3 said:
I don’t question that natural immunity is better than the vaccine. It’s how you achieve natural immunity that’s the problem. You. Literally. Have. To. Get. Covid. To. Get. Natural. Immunity. Those 600,000 Americans that died trying to get natural immunity might tell you that’s a bad idea.

And if you’re proposing that natural immunity is the be-all-end-all then try getting natural immunity to tetanus or smallpox.
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I am not getting in discussion who is expert and who’s not but I have question for you.
Out of 41.7 million people who contracted wu flu in US, 41 million survived and developed immunity, I am one of them. On which research / study grounds you and people like you blatantly disregard this fact when there is plenty studies (for example Israel study) which confirms this as a fact! What is the reason for not accepting this info and use it as a tool to eradicating this .... along with vaccine that actually works, ivermectin or wtf ever works!?
Another thing do you really think there is such health crisis while certain hospitals and health services providers are releasing front line health workers due to not being vaccinated, in which ...... up way does this make sense!!!???
 
rac1ngsnak3 said:
.... off Qraig. You literally add nothing to this discussion.
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And once again, do you know who Craig is? Do you know his background? No you don’t but you are quick to discount him as you do others. Never heard a mature medical researcher communicate like a juvenile delinquent. There is no way someone actually employs you in a medical research capacity.
With regard to mechanisms of action for the compounds you listed and their differences, I can just google it and cut and paste like you would do or anyone else here could do.
 
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Bo13R said:
I am not getting in discussion who is expert and who’s not but I have question for you.
Out of 41.7 million people who contracted wu flu in US, 41 million survived and developed immunity, I am one of them. On which research / study grounds you and people like you blatantly disregard this fact when there is plenty studies (for example Israel study) which confirms this as a fact! What is the reason for not accepting this info and use it as a tool to eradicating this .... along with vaccine that actually works, ivermectin or wtf ever works!?
Another thing do you really think there is such health crisis while certain hospitals and health services providers are releasing front line health workers due to not being vaccinated, in which ...... up way does this make sense!!!???
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Dafuq???? So you're willing to sacrifice 4.5 million Americans to achieve herd immunity (80% population immunity) by natural means??? We have a vaccine that won't kill anyone and once herd immunity is acquired will just be as effective as natural immunity. That’s a friggin Hitler move. You're a ....... psychopath.
 
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rac1ngsnak3 said:
Dafuq???? So you're willing to sacrifice 4.5 million Americans to achieve herd immunity (80% population immunity) by natural means??? We have a vaccine that won't kill anyone and once herd immunity is acquired will just be as effective as natural immunity. You're a ....... psychopath.
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Dafuq is wrong with you, you psycho!!!???
Those above are your ....... words and not mine, I just asked you simple question and you like any good brainwashed libtard came back with attack and of course no straight answer!
For a fact we know now that you are mental case and will not accept facts and engage in civil conversation so I wish you good luck and HAVE NICE DAY!
 
Bo13R said:
Dafuq is wrong with you, you psycho!!!???
Those above are your ....... words and not mine, I just asked you simple question and you like any good brainwashed libtard came back with attack and of course no straight answer!
For a fact we know now that you are mental case and will not accept facts and engage in civil conversation so I wish you good luck and HAVE NICE DAY!
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rac1ngsnak3 said:
Dafuq???? So you're willing to sacrifice 4.5 million Americans to achieve herd immunity (80% population immunity) by natural means??? We have a vaccine that won't kill anyone and once herd immunity is acquired will just be as effective as natural immunity. That’s a friggin Hitler move. You're a ....... psychopath.
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The military has lost 24 people due to COVID since it started. 24. So far, over 80 cases of myocarditis, which has a 5-year fatality rate in the 70% range. Over 1000 servicemembers have been medically separated for vaccine complications. A guy I work with *randomly* developed lupus at the age of 30 a few days after his second shot, something they refuse to connect to the vaccine.

I am not anti or pro vax, but the notion that things are black and white is childish. The vaccine is not a zero-risk solution. Your post is an extremely childish strawman fallacy.
 
I am not anti or pro vax, but the notion that things are black and white is childish. The vaccine is not a zero-risk solution. Your post is an extremely childish strawman fallacy.
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Exactly. The most responsible answer anyone can give in this whole mess is “maybe”.
 
rac1ngsnak3 said:
I stand corrected. I should’ve said MINIMAL mortality and morbidity.
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Oh. So minimal mortality is okay for a vaccine but you're literally hitler if you say it's okay for the virus itself.

You knew what you were saying. You purposefully said it was harmless to make your "you're hitler" point seem vaguely logical. You knew if you spoke factually, you'd like like an absolute tard saying it's okay for one thing but not for the other. You're only correcting yourself now because it isn't in the context of calling someone Hitler so you think you can possibly get away with it. Not fooling anyone presenting it like you just found that out.

Moving goalposts always makes people look ........ and that's you right now.

Furthermore, you're ...... either way. Either you knew people have died from the vaccine but chose not to acknowledge it, which proves you're just a child trying to win an argument even if it means lying, or you legitimately didn't know anyone died from it. The latter completely ....... the narrative you tried to spin that you regularly do medical research.
 
That is just AZ for Australia. Our total rona deaths are <1200.
When can we classify the cure as worse than the cough.

Suicide rates have tripled here. If we’re talking about stats you’re more likely to die from your own hands than the virus.

Not to mention the millions of lives destroyed as a result of closing business and restricting movement.

Imagine advocating freedom and being called radical & extremist.
There’s a simple solution here, carry on and live with it. Get the ... if you want, knowing you’ll be wasting time bi-annually queuing up to get a boost and if you want to go one step further wear a biohazard suit everywhere you go for the rest of your life.
Let the rest of us who reasonably accept death is a fact of life get on with our .... unhindered.
 
MaverickiB said:
… Either you knew people have died from the vaccine but chose not to acknowledge it, which proves you're just a child trying to win an argument even if it means lying…
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craig bush said:
“… The biggest waste of time is arguing with the fool and fanatic who doesn't care about truth or reality, but only the victory of his beliefs and illusions…”

Source: unk
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