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I am unfortunately very well versed in how the minds of people like that work because my father is one of them. It's just interesting how when people subscribe to the ideology of, "I must be right, no matter the cost," they lose their personality. Dude's arguments and words are literally the same things my dad says. No individual thought whatsoever, just hive mind.
 
The military has lost 24 people due to COVID since it started. 24. So far, over 80 cases of myocarditis, which has a 5-year fatality rate in the 70% range. Over 1000 servicemembers have been medically separated for vaccine complications. A guy I work with *randomly* developed lupus at the age of 30 a few days after his second shot, something they refuse to connect to the vaccine.

I am not anti or pro vax, but the notion that things are black and white is childish. The vaccine is not a zero-risk solution. Your post is an extremely childish strawman fallacy.

In NZ there has been one death that may be attributed to the vax and she was 90 with a bunch of comorbidities- out of 3,875,000 doses there were about 23 serious reactions and none have resulted in death or ongoing harm. In other words noise in the data and actually your military has lost 46, pretty much 100% more than your figure but if you were to account for the whole DoD then it would be 473. I may be wrong but the military demographic would be far lower risk compared to the general population .019% death rate of those in boots who contracted covid but 0.13 for the whole DoD. That is what I would expect for the US military and as sure as .... you can bet Russia and China have vaxxed their soldiers to the max and instigated stringent health protocols.

Mind you there are 1,182,220 fully vaccinated service people and 358,160 partially vaccinated with a whopping 5,246,359 doses delivered to the DoD overall so far.

Now I ask you, the US military, with access to the the best technology and intel, the requirement for its service people to prepared for any threat. Do you really think that horse paste, or bullshitting each other along political lines is going to cut it, that the generals are taking a laissez faire approach to covid? Do you also think that if they thought the harm from the vax was greater than the virus they would reject it?

These people are practical and deal with reality, they are not buffoons

I know a guy who got lupus 2 days after buying new V4, coincidence I think not....

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Sunlight. Exposure to the sun may bring on lupus skin lesions or trigger an internal response in susceptible people.
Infections. Having an infection can initiate lupus or cause a relapse in some people.
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Risk factors
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Your .... Lupus is more common in women.
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Want to know how to handle covid look at your military
 
Not sure where you got 46 but I'm actually in the military and the number I've seen is 24. Your numbers for vaccinations are also suspect. Roughly 1.4 million active duty in the military right now, and net vaccination level is at about 60 percent. The Navy having the highest rate in the 70s (because they withheld liberty to force people to get it) and the lowest being the Marines around 50 percent. Your numbers imply the entire military is either vaccinated or almost vaccinated, which absolutely isn't true. Once again, over a thousand unplanned losses have occured due to vaccine complications. From a warfighting perspective, it doesn't make sense to choose a solution that makes you lose thousands of soldiers (even more soon, considering they're gonna start kicking people out en masse for this ....) when the *threat* you're trying to prevent has only caused you to lose in the low double digits.

Also, the military forced us to get back to work and work in tight quarters before the public was. And while people are told to wear masks, few ever do. If you want people to emulate how covid is being handled by the military, just resume life like normal.

Thanks for the copy paste from pubmed or whatever about lupus. I'm sure a dude in the Navy who has been medically screened out the ..., is over 30, and was previously in good health just totally developed lupus because it was meant to be and had nothing to do with the shot he got a few days prior. He also had a mild heart attack (myocarditis) that same week. Doctors refused to log it as vaccine related. The numbers for vaccine complications are grossly underestimated because they are extremely resistant to attach anything to it, even when it's clear as day.
 
We’ll I was on the bike for close to 400 miles yesterday and I had a full face helmet on which sort of qualifies as a mask and was practicing social distancing. I’m doing my part. Oh yea and I rode on some fantastic roads in that horrible Republican run, Covid ridden state of Idaho. Hey Paul, how’s NZ treating you?
 
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Not sure where you got 46 but I'm actually in the military and the number I've seen is 24. Your numbers for vaccinations are also suspect. Roughly 1.4 million active duty in the military right now, and net vaccination level is at about 60 percent. The Navy having the highest rate in the 70s (because they withheld liberty to force people to get it) and the lowest being the Marines around 50 percent. Your numbers imply the entire military is either vaccinated or almost vaccinated, which absolutely isn't true. Once again, over a thousand unplanned losses have occured due to vaccine complications. From a warfighting perspective, it doesn't make sense to choose a solution that makes you lose thousands of soldiers (even more soon, considering they're gonna start kicking people out en masse for this ....) when the *threat* you're trying to prevent has only caused you to lose in the low double digits.

Also, the military forced us to get back to work and work in tight quarters before the public was. And while people are told to wear masks, few ever do. If you want people to emulate how covid is being handled by the military, just resume life like normal.

Thanks for the copy paste from pubmed or whatever about lupus. I'm sure a dude in the Navy who has been medically screened out the ..., is over 30, and was previously in good health just totally developed lupus because it was meant to be and had nothing to do with the shot he got a few days prior. He also had a mild heart attack (myocarditis) that same week. Doctors refused to log it as vaccine related. The numbers for vaccine complications are grossly underestimated because they are extremely resistant to attach anything to it, even when it's clear as day.

I guess all three branches of the military are wrong then. Coronavirus: DOD Response

It no big deal, nothing to see, move along, carry on ...... but the secretary of defence has a message https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/09/2002826254/-1/-1/0/Message-to-the-Force-Memo-Vaccine-FINAL.PDF
 
We’ll I was on the bike for close to 400 miles yesterday and I had a full face helmet on which sort of qualifies as a mask and was practicing social distancing. I’m doing my part. Oh yea and I rode on some fantastic roads in that horrible Republican run, Covid ridden state of Idaho. Hey Paul, how’s NZ treating you?

I went for a ride, had to get some essential meds from quite a long way away :) the roads are empty and the cops are busy at the borders of the city. Really going crazy now, they are aiming for the city being 80% vaxxed before full reopening. I can fully understand the frustration of having life limited especially in the US, but some friends in Cali say life is equally .... with local mask mandates and vaxx restrictions, plus all the pro/anti ......... So instead of a rolling shitshow for years we are hoping to get it over with fast. We are all going to be exposed to it sooner or later, our strategy here is get enough vaxxed so that our healthcare system doesnt get stuffed. We are looking to Ireland, Denmark etc countries with similar populations as a guide.

If there is a good thing about lockdown, its practicing the art of laziness. Coffee, reading, exercising, doing not much- There is a lot of admin, planning, customer contacts but otherwise business has pretty much stopped for me, my partner has never been busier.
 
I guess all three branches of the military are wrong then. Coronavirus: DOD Response

It no big deal, nothing to see, move along, carry on ...... but the secretary of defence has a message https://media.defense.gov/2021/Aug/09/2002826254/-1/-1/0/Message-to-the-Force-Memo-Vaccine-FINAL.PDF
Holy crap Batman. That’s a lot of pen and paper for all those “we won’t sue you” waivers and as a shareholder in big pharma, a nice windfall for me. I bet the accident /injury lawyers are trying desperately to figure out how to get around that waiver. Man, you simply can’t beat this scenario. Not only a presidential endorsement of a product but a presidential mandate that you get it. That’s a manufacturers dream come true. Get in on it folks. Anyhow, thanks for the extra $$ Joe.
 
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Haha! Endo, at least youve got a sense of humour but honestly reading some of the crap written on here I wonder if some of the hard core macho manly men know that they sound like a bunch of organic crunchy wellness Karen's whining like little ....... about freedum. Thats why I'm pointing out the military- the ultimate we dont .... around organisation. I dont give a rats about the politics, just the stats. If youre fortunate enough to have mild symptoms good for you, but Im just going to do what I can for myself, family and community to stop this thing as much as possible. In the US its become tribal.
 
Haha! Endo, at least youve got a sense of humour but honestly reading some of the crap written on here I wonder if some of the hard core macho manly men know that they sound like a bunch of organic crunchy wellness Karen's whining like little ....... about freedum. Thats why I'm pointing out the military- the ultimate we dont .... around organisation. I dont give a rats about the politics, just the stats. If youre fortunate enough to have mild symptoms good for you, but Im just going to do what I can for myself, family and community to stop this thing as much as possible. In the US its become tribal.
LOL, Na, I get it. Like I said, I’m not anti vax or anti mask. A restaurant asks me to wear a mask, .... it, I’m wearing the damn mask. For us, from a business perspective, we have been only positively impacted by all this.

Personally, having the ability to travel outside the chaos means no interruption in lifestyle. Even in Cali, I found a way to operate unimpeded.

Traveling to Kona tonight. Now Hawaii is a cluster but I have residency status so again even with restrictions and mask mandates, I’m relatively un affected. Now the ..... is, if there is a vax mandate I might have to get one.

Again my only reservation is the .... show that’s behind it all. It’s not a mandate that bothers me it’s that the government and the medical community simply in my playbook have no credibility what so ever at this point so I am a bit hesitant because I absolutely know for certain that there is .... about the vax there not telling us. How do I know that? Historical data overwhelmingly says so.

So I’m just doing my thing until I have to conform and hopefully by then the damn thing goes away or the vax has a bit more test and tune time before I have to get it.
 
Killing the game in Alabhammmmugh


So many have died, it’s freed up some space….and they say…it’s progress.
 
The fact that natural immunity is not officially regarded as an equivalent to the vaccine tells you everything and exactly one thing:

this rollout is for the $

oh and btw, the vaccine works so well, now the 3rd shot is necessary and there are talks of the 4th

let me stand corrected, it’s not for the $, but for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
 
bwahaha!!!! immunity is immunity is immunity- natural does not come into it. Unless of course you are the type that does yoga sipping your kale smoothie then pops down to the barbers on your cafe racer gl 500 for a whisker trim.

rub those crystals and burn that incense
 
The third shot is only recommended for older people or those with other conditions. Where the .... do you get info? Im guessing Fox News, Newsmax, Joe Rogan, Steve Bannon or more?
 
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Imagine being this dude

Veteran dies of treatable illness as COVID fills hospital beds, leaving doctors "playing musical chairs"

2 tours in Afghanistan. Purple Heart. Needed outpatient surgery, and dies because ICU beds were full of a bunch of selfish ........ who wouldn't get a free shot because freedum something something

You really believe you’re getting the whole story from cbs news Paul? Lol

I work in a hospital within a few hours of Houston - ICU beds available.
 
You really believe you’re getting the whole story from cbs news Paul? Lol

I work in a hospital within a few hours of Houston - ICU beds available.

Kinda wild how the ICU bed thing is still around when the only time it was remotely believable was during the initial spread/lockdown phase. ICU beds haven't been a talking point for quite some time now, and most publications that mention them very quickly get proven wrong, such as that Rolling Stone article. Hospitals have fired numerous employees for not getting the ..., then complain that they're overwhelmed and can't treat anyone. Somehow that's someone else's fault.
 

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