Well, there you have it

Paul G said:

… Craig, the issue is that the sheer number of covid patients overwhelm the system, I am not making a moral argument about treating them just a point that if you insist on being anti vax because you truly believe that covid is a hoax or whatever then you get to wear it. Hospitals are perfectly capable of managing all the other "voluntary'" illnesses on any given day all things being equal but if 20 anti vaxxers turn up demanding ICU care because they were too pig headed to take preventative measures then what?…

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But if the vaccine works, won’t ONLY the pig-headed anti-vaxxers (who you definitely aren’t making moral judgments about ) end up hospitalized?

The vaccinated shouldn’t end up in the hospital, right?

You miss the point, it's not the 99% survival rate!

Why bother with vaccinations for anything? I mean polio had a 95-98% survival rate among children and wasn't anywhere as easily transmissible

Is your attitude essentially I'm ok, so .... you or have I got it wrong?

craig bush said:

But if the vaccine works, won’t ONLY the pig-headed anti-vaxxers (who you definitely aren’t making moral judgments about ) end up hospitalized?

The vaccinated shouldn’t end up in the hospital, right?

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morally who has more of a so called right to treatment, someone who made an effort to help themselves and their community or someone who had the choice and said no?

there will definitely be people for whom the vax does not work, from what I hear most of the icu patient particularly in red states are not vaxxed but please correct me

Paul G said:

Is your attitude essentially I'm ok, so .... you or have I got it wrong?

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You’ve got it wrong - ironically so, having recently brought up confirmation bias.

I was vaccinated in DEC 2020 within weeks of the roll out. I wear a mask daily at work and complied with mandates for mask use in public when they were in place.

What have I said to communicate lack of empathy? You’re the one who said anti-vaxxers should suffer without life-saving medical care. I’m saying the evidence does not support a global socioeconomic shutdown or the universal, incorrect use of ineffective masks. If we were discussing the universal, correct use of n95 respirators, it might be a different discussion.

Paul G said:

morally who has more of a so called right to treatment, someone who made an effort to help themselves and their community or someone who had the choice and said no?…

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I thought you weren’t arguing morality.

What? Do you think an opinionated self righteous ........ like myself wouldn't have a go?

Paul G said:

morally who has more of a so called right to treatment, someone who made an effort to help themselves and their community or someone who had the choice and said no?

there will definitely be people for whom the vax does not work, from what I hear most of the icu patient particularly in red states are not vaxxed but please correct me

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This is the frickin problem. "from what I hear" from where do you hear these things Paul? Ill tell you where, the local news. The reason so many people ended up in the hospital is because you couldn't turn on a TV or radio without some crazy ..... screaming "get to a ....... hospital, were all going to die" 24/7. No different than, the gas stations being overrun every time some OPEC ...... gets grumpy. Turn the news off and think for yourself. As far as vaccines go, im not a vaccine chicken. The Navy stuck more needles in us than I can count but this WHO run psycho ward, .... that. You want to get the shot, wear the mask go nuts man. I wouldn't take a soda from the monkeys running this .... show. On the morality side, that debate is dead and buried. We already know the shot doesn't prevent anyone from getting COVID and once a vaccinated person gets COVID they can pass it along so this moral point is worthless. The vaccine doesn't prevent the spread of COVID.

craig bush said:

What have I said to communicate lack of empathy? You’re the one who said anti-vaxxers should suffer without life-saving medical care. I’m saying the evidence does not support a global socioeconomic shutdown or the universal, incorrect use of ineffective masks. If we were discussing the universal, correct use of n95 respirators, it might be a different discussion.

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Empathy really is a thing, I guess my point is that people who are militantly and loudly irresponsible about covid should be prepared as the second part of their statements, accept all consequences.

The irony is that of course they wont, they will queue up and quite rightly get treatment if available- we are not monsters. But its a rhetorical point about responsibility.

Paul I have a nice set of home bomb shelter plans from the 60s if you're interested.They sold thousands of these things to everyone who listened to news. Ya never know. Oh yea, back to the original topic, .... China and that POS Wuhan scooter

Paul G said:

Empathy really is a thing, I guess my point is that people who are militantly and loudly irresponsible about covid should be prepared as the second part of their statements, accept all consequences.

The irony is that of course they wont, they will queue up and quite rightly get treatment if available- we are not monsters. But its a rhetorical point about responsibility.

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Hey Paul, I may be an irresponsible ........ but I’m not stupid. If they come up with a flu shot that I can take and it prevents me from getting the flu and subsequently getting sick, I’ll be first in line brother but they haven’t and they lied about the shot preventing the spread to the point we need the masks again.

Truthfully my friend, they haven’t been able to make it work for all the other flu shots and they damn well knew this wouldn’t work either but it put billions in pockets.

endodoc said:

they haven’t been able to make it work for all the other flu shots and they damn well knew this wouldn’t work either but it put billions in pockets.

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Yep. The pandemic has put Trillions of our dollars in their pockets globally.

We got a neat “vaccine” out of the deal though.

Stop blaming each other. Blame China. They are the enemy.

I wouldn't be surprised if the U.S. initiated this pandemic nonsense, same way they started 9-11. Let's self destruct and find some country we don't like to blame it on. Yep, sounds like America.

Amen brother, that bike make steaming crap look like steak with all the trimmings

double0 said:

The vaccine is BS at best. Let's scare the world and convince them to take this shot.

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I believe this is the mark of the beast its perfect as they want everyone to take it and some places are mandatory vaccine to enter places.

All I heard from Paul was if you don't do what we want you should be dead, anyone else hear this? Just waiting for my star patch to wear with pride is all I'm saying.

1:1 copy from one of my other forums:

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/


Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID-19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials.

Conclusions drawn from the study and clinical implications: The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.

Ya exactly. hahaha. Hilarious. Covid is the new boogyman and all the new fuckery is aimed at the hand-fed morons who will get in line with their “EU greenpass” so they can leave their house. How do you think that illegal non-legislation masterclass piece of propaganda will evolve?
Apologies for the “I heard” however it’s first hand from my dear friend who IS a PhD & MD virologist and vaccine scientist. He and hundreds of other doctors are curing thousands of people of covid with $2.00 medicine in pill form that‘s been in use for years for other things. They’re working over the phone for free night and day. They have 0 losses, 0 ICU hospitalizations. Their evaluation of the vaccines is: “This is complete ..... Don’t get it.” Which is why they’re working night and day for free. They’re telling me this is a war inside the medical Industry. And you guessed it, it’s all about money.
What’s bad about the covid shots besides the potential individual damage is the tendency for viral mutations as the shots do not kill the virus like the pills do. So people who’ve got the covid shots continue to carry the virus and can develop mutations immune to the shots. Brilliant. It’s similar to what caused the crisis we have with antibiotics.
Add me to the list:

I got a virus In July and felt like I was falling down a black hole. Fever out of control - couldn't eat. Took first pill of 3 pills, fever stabilized in :30 mins. I started breathing better. 3hours later I started eating again. Next day pill#2, I got out of bed. Day 3, 3rd final pill, up and around. Day 4 like it didn’t happen except a little tired.

They are getting published but no mainstream coverage.

I can’t say I believe there is a master plan for mind control however it’s easy to see the powerful will take advantage of any chaos to increase their wealth and power because that’s what they always do. If it’s local admin or big pharma standing to make a cool $trillion a year up for grabs scaring everyone into taking an ANNUAL untested shot with no ability to sue for malpractice if it screws you up, it’s the same story. Everyone seems to be jumping in to claim something special from this global shitshow.

I was in the first “red zone” in Europe. Spread was 200X the first wkend. We were scared shitless, taped the windows shut and hunkered for months. They pounded us with fear hourly as we watched businesses go under and families lose everything. I can’t say “oh ya, no one fooled me.” We got fooled.
Now, that’s enough. Full stop.

This is what I took. Get the email off the package, order some. Talk to the right doctor for you. If you get sick PM me I’ll hook you up if I can.

Excellent write up. We ordered a bunch of Invermectin and Hydroychloroquine in Jan of 2020. We didn’t use it as the symptoms we’re almost non existent but it’s an excellent strategy.