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Mick1976 said:
I bet a Vespa would warm your cockles too.
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Prick, you're like a dingleberry. A stage-five clinger. A stalker.
 
Pass. Way too many proprietary pieces and unknowns. Great bike for a collector (maybe) but if you’re serious about tracking and progressing, you’re going to fall and when you do I’d rather order replacement parts online rather than attempt to call the company that used to make the bike I just crashed that’s no longer in business. I thing the “visceral” thing is being factored into a potential unreasonable journey. Lots of good advice in prior posts from guys with a lot of experience.

You have some of the best riders in the world with some of the most sophisticated electronic riding aids crashing bikes with this kind of power to weight and hurting themselves.

You offer some well laid out, sound business strategies and you are obviously well sorted when it comes to making good decisions that ultimately yield favorable outcomes. This might not be a bad place to employ some of those decisive strategies that have proven successful for you.

After all that, if the overkill bug is still biting, get something made to spec by a company who has a proven track record and will answer your phone call when you need them to.
 
Vbreeze said:
There it is. Trippy.
Crighton CR700W
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If you thought 2 strokes were a lot of maintenance, rotors aren’t any better. The apex seals and need for oil sprayers/premix seems a nightmare. And this one has 2 of them. But maybe they’ve sorted it. On the plus side rotors made ludicrous power and sound wicked!!!

Price is £85k. Yowch!!!
 
Apex seals is a buzz word for rotaries that carries a lot more fear than it really should. In Mazda rotaries, they fairly consistently fail at around 50k miles. Rebuilding a motor every 50k miles isn't fun, but isn't oh my god so scary either. Crighton *claims* the motor can go an entire season without needing to be rebuilt at any point. Considering racing machines put on significantly fewer miles than their street counterparts, that doesn't sound too far fetched.

Have you ever worked on/with a rotary? They are not nearly as much work as a 2-stroke. Premixing fuel is a non-issue. They aren't as bulletproof as a traditional piston motor obviously, but honestly it's easy to tell who doesn't know what they're talking about regarding rotaries by how quickly they bring up apex seals.
 
It's an intrinsic flaw of the rotary motor, but once again, an overstated one. Calling out apex seals is no different from when people say they are wary of buying Ducatis because of desmo valve service. Is it a real concern? Yes. Is it expensive or labor intensive? Yes. Should you fear it? Not at all.
 
endodoc said:
Pass. Way too many proprietary pieces and unknowns. Great bike for a collector (maybe) but if you’re serious about tracking and progressing, you’re going to fall and when you do I’d rather order replacement parts online rather than attempt to call the company that used to make the bike I just crashed that’s no longer in business. I thing the “visceral” thing is being factored into a potential unreasonable journey. Lots of good advice in prior posts from guys with a lot of experience.

You have some of the best riders in the world with some of the most sophisticated electronic riding aids crashing bikes with this kind of power to weight and hurting themselves.

You offer some well laid out, sound business strategies and you are obviously well sorted when it comes to making good decisions that ultimately yield favorable outcomes. This might not be a bad place to employ some of those decisive strategies that have proven successful for you.

After all that, if the overkill bug is still biting, get something made to spec by a company who has a proven track record and will answer your phone call when you need them to.
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To that end, I’m about to a buy a $7000 bike that’s been around the block, has all the track goodies on it, looks like .... but runs great, and is set up for a 230 pound rider already. That I’ll have no concerns whatsoever laying down.

I still like to have exquisite pieces of lightweight powerful engineering around to play with though.

I decided against the Suter, I may never be good enough rider to fully enjoy it with no electronic nannies, and I’ve been talking to Pierobon, they can do a ground up track bike build that has 200 hp on a 325 pound bike with a full electronics package that has anti-wheel adjustability etc. and readily accessible replacement parts.

That rotary bike just looks badass, but as you say, crash it once and it might take a year to rebuild it.

Some of these bikes I think of as like a Ferrari, it’s not a true race car, too expensive to not care if you wrecked it, but still a beautiful machine that hits you in the feels on how it looks and you can still drive it like you stole it and have a blast in it, despite it not really being a track car or one you don’t want to crash.
 
Steven31371 said:
To that end, I’m about to a buy a $7000 bike that’s been around the block, has all the track goodies on it, looks like .... but runs great, and is set up for a 230 pound rider already. That I’ll have no concerns whatsoever laying down.

I still like to have exquisite pieces of lightweight powerful engineering around to play with though.

I decided against the Suter, I may never be good enough rider to fully enjoy it with no electronic nannies, and I’ve been talking to Pierobon, they can do a ground up track bike build that has 200 hp on a 325 pound bike with a full electronics package that has anti-wheel adjustability etc. and readily accessible replacement parts.

That rotary bike just looks badass, but as you say, crash it once and it might take a year to rebuild it.

Some of these bikes I think of as like a Ferrari, it’s not a true race car, too expensive to not care if you wrecked it, but still a beautiful machine that hits you in the feels on how it looks and you can still drive it like you stole it and have a blast in it, despite it not really being a track car or one you don’t want to crash.
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For a Pierobon prepped bike contact Boulder Motorsport.

Or maybe contact SuperbikeUnlimited and have them build you a V4R.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaBztzdQZUHjUo3dCSc8KZt0L_3Gk3aLg
Or maybe have @KarlKani build you a V4R?
 
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For your skill level, aspirations, likelihood of crashing (high) you simply cannot go past a gixxer preferably a 750 but even a K5 would do just fine. Cheap to buy, cheap to rebuild, 90% as fast as the fastest Pani, easy to ride and proven a million times over on the track. The thing with bikes is that exotica does not go faster from point A to point B because its got xx horsepower and magic electronics, a good rider on a sportster can give so called sports bike riders a fright. Exotica is for the lounge.
 
Paul G said:
For your skill level, aspirations, likelihood of crashing (high) you simply cannot go past a gixxer preferably a 750 but even a K5 would do just fine. Cheap to buy, cheap to rebuild, 90% as fast as the fastest Pani, easy to ride and proven a million times over on the track. The thing with bikes is that exotica does not go faster from point A to point B because its got xx horsepower and magic electronics, a good rider on a sportster can give so called sports bike riders a fright. Exotica is for the lounge.
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Good advice….I just bought this bike for $7k….no blip shifter is an issue, but I can ride that bike past my limits, not give a .... if I lay it down or destroy it, use it to get a baseline of skill, then get the bigger badder stuff on the track.

I honestly don’t mind sacrificing my body a bit, but there’s no away around at least having it in the back of your mind, that it wouldn’t be cool to lay down an $80k bike that you’ve put a lot of your time into lol
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