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Thank you very much really great reading and really helps me out a lot.
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What's the trick to sliding over the seat to take corners without pushing on the handle bar during the body positioning?
As you know i am a harley rider converted to panigale - i tried to hop over the seat to take corners but i always ended up pushing on the handle bar and that causes the bike to unsettle and wobble before i turn
Sorry i am a noob so don't hate me hahaha cant seem to find videos on youtube that teaches you how to slide over to left or right to take corners without pushing on the handle bar.
I guess it h as to do with legs against the tank? I just cant seem to get it right because i think i am having problem with the skinny fuel tank
I've been watching this video but i kept pushing on the steering bar and unsettling the bike ;(
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvBGh2b5WSU
Eventually, nothing will replace a couple days at the track with a proper instructor. These are fun and affordable (probably mandatory to whomever wants to get on a superbike if you ask me...).
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^^^Truth.
The first time I hit the track (4 years ago) I thought that I had 10 years of riding experience. Turns out I had 1 year of riding experience 10x.
The track is not only fun, it makes you a better street rider as well.
The first time I hit the track (4 years ago) I thought that I had 10 years of riding experience. Turns out I had 1 year of riding experience 10x.
The track is not only fun, it makes you a better street rider as well.
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I'm trying to find a local superbike school in my city so they could take me to the tracks and help guide me during practice sessions.
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I agree, there is no need to hang off like a monkey while riding around on the street (assuming one doesn't ride like an ...... on the street). Personally, I don't ride like an idiot on public roads. I just ride around and enjoy being on a bike. I save my asshattery for the track. On the street, I don't hang off the bike. I might move over and inch or so, and drop my upper body a little bit, if I do some riding through the mountains that is a little quicker than my "going to the store" pace, but I don't hang off anywhere near like I do on the track. I don't drag knees and elbows and .... on the street.
But with that being said, you will not find a single racer anywhere in the country (or world for that matter) that is racing at a top-5 Club level Expert pace and above, that sits in the middle of the seat and doesn't hang off the bike.
Lean angle is finite, when you run out of it, you crash. Good BP reduces the lean angle for any given speed+radius, that fact cannot be argued. That newfound lean angle can either be left in reserve as a safety margin, or utilized to go faster.
We all have seen the pictures of guys racing 15-20-25 years ago all crossed up with the "Doohan style" BP. They made the most of what they had as far as knowledge and understanding of the physics, the tires, bikes, suspension, etc. However, that would not work today. It would be impossible to carry modern competitive corner speeds with that crossed up BP.
A few years ago even Rossi admitted that he could no longer be competitive with guys like Marquez and Lorenzo unless he worked on his BP. He couldn't match their entry, mid-corner, and exit speeds because at any given time he had to carry more lean angle. So he spent the offseason revamping his BP...and it worked. He immediately started battling for wins and podiums much more consistently.
But with that being said, you will not find a single racer anywhere in the country (or world for that matter) that is racing at a top-5 Club level Expert pace and above, that sits in the middle of the seat and doesn't hang off the bike.
Lean angle is finite, when you run out of it, you crash. Good BP reduces the lean angle for any given speed+radius, that fact cannot be argued. That newfound lean angle can either be left in reserve as a safety margin, or utilized to go faster.
We all have seen the pictures of guys racing 15-20-25 years ago all crossed up with the "Doohan style" BP. They made the most of what they had as far as knowledge and understanding of the physics, the tires, bikes, suspension, etc. However, that would not work today. It would be impossible to carry modern competitive corner speeds with that crossed up BP.
A few years ago even Rossi admitted that he could no longer be competitive with guys like Marquez and Lorenzo unless he worked on his BP. He couldn't match their entry, mid-corner, and exit speeds because at any given time he had to carry more lean angle. So he spent the offseason revamping his BP...and it worked. He immediately started battling for wins and podiums much more consistently.
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Doesn't look like you are cornering at all. Do you plan to hang off in a straight line?
Just kidding, do what's fun for you.
As you could see by the photo of one of our bikes we do not ride like a wannabee mr cool tough guy
I just want to learn how to ride like a pro hanging off the bike for cornering and learning how to fully control my bike in order to avoid getting into ..... with making stupid noob mistakes.
Having knowledge of how to control the bike is better than having absolutely limited riding skill.
That's really the reason why i want to learn - just from watching Twist the Wrist I reckon it may have saved my life !!!
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I'm trying to do track days but right now I'm skint for cash after buying this Panigale for the wife
we cant even afford to mod her right now !!!
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Mod the wife? That can be very expensive.
You will have to go out of town or even state to get to a good track school. Save up the money and then go. I've gone to a few and it was always very worthwhile not to mention a bunch of fun. Your wife should see this as a safety thing which is very true. You will learn to ride faster AND safer by riding more smoothly which includes moving around your BP. I'm 60 by the way and started this trackday/Ducati habit a few years ago although I've been riding Harleys for over 25 years and still do. The other tip I want to add amongst all the great ones you got above is that you want to be squatting on your toes while barely sitting on the seat when you're moving around. That's the big difference with the Harleys; you can't do that because the pegs aren't positioned well to do so but great for cruising/touring. Be sure to do some squatting exercises when you're working out.
You will have to go out of town or even state to get to a good track school. Save up the money and then go. I've gone to a few and it was always very worthwhile not to mention a bunch of fun. Your wife should see this as a safety thing which is very true. You will learn to ride faster AND safer by riding more smoothly which includes moving around your BP. I'm 60 by the way and started this trackday/Ducati habit a few years ago although I've been riding Harleys for over 25 years and still do. The other tip I want to add amongst all the great ones you got above is that you want to be squatting on your toes while barely sitting on the seat when you're moving around. That's the big difference with the Harleys; you can't do that because the pegs aren't positioned well to do so but great for cruising/touring. Be sure to do some squatting exercises when you're working out.
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Very good point.
On a sportbike (at least when doing spirited riding), you want to be on the balls of your feet...not with the pegs up by your heels. You want to be on the balls of your feet, in an athletic stance.
Something to help with this is to move your footpegs as far FORWARD as possible (contrary to popular belief). Most people think race bikes should have the pegs up and back, I always move mine up and forward. As part of the Speed Academy curriculum we would go over each rider's ergonomics, and one thing we noticed is that too many people have their pegs too far back.
For example:
Stand up and then squat down like normal. You can do that easily. Ok, now try to move your feet backwards a couple of inches and see what happens. You will either have to rest your hands on something, or you will fall over.
Apply that to the riding position.
Having the pegs further forward will let you get in more of an athletic stance with your feet more underneath you, which will let you take pressure off your hands (and consequently, the bars).
On a sportbike (at least when doing spirited riding), you want to be on the balls of your feet...not with the pegs up by your heels. You want to be on the balls of your feet, in an athletic stance.
Something to help with this is to move your footpegs as far FORWARD as possible (contrary to popular belief). Most people think race bikes should have the pegs up and back, I always move mine up and forward. As part of the Speed Academy curriculum we would go over each rider's ergonomics, and one thing we noticed is that too many people have their pegs too far back.
For example:
Stand up and then squat down like normal. You can do that easily. Ok, now try to move your feet backwards a couple of inches and see what happens. You will either have to rest your hands on something, or you will fall over.
Apply that to the riding position.
Having the pegs further forward will let you get in more of an athletic stance with your feet more underneath you, which will let you take pressure off your hands (and consequently, the bars).
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good explanation. since i'm not that tall thus shorter legs, i went with sato racing which provide most height and it moves up front. i love them and feel so much better than the stock or dp rearsets.
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Seriously, get some track time for both you and your Wife; you are on one of the most "expert" motorcycles available and seem to have few of the skills necessary to ride it safely and properly. An instructor at the track will teach you SO much and could prevent you from having a potential disaster happen to you.
I have seen so many people that have bought the "bike of their dreams" crash it within days or weeks of buying it. Get as much professional training as you can; you really have to. We want to see you around here for years to come and don't want to read about how you or your wife crashed, due to lack of experience, inability to control the bike, or just sheer terror over leaning the bike in a corner.
Please, I am literally begging you to do this.
I have seen so many people that have bought the "bike of their dreams" crash it within days or weeks of buying it. Get as much professional training as you can; you really have to. We want to see you around here for years to come and don't want to read about how you or your wife crashed, due to lack of experience, inability to control the bike, or just sheer terror over leaning the bike in a corner.
Please, I am literally begging you to do this.
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