1199 doesnt start, need help!!

Apr 2012
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Washington, NC
Okay I found the starter motor and verified that there was 12V going to it. Is there a way to check the starter motor before I replace it ?
On the original Panigales in 2012 starters were known to go from time to time. I believe Ducati updated the part number after the release.
 
Dec 2012
220
40
Chicago
hmm I think i'll replace the starter relay. It doesnt seem like the starter motor is even trying to spin/crank.

Okay stupid question - how do you check the relay ?
 
May 2014
478
157
Lincoln MT
Worked on a Monster just couple weeks ago exact same symptoms, jump relay with bolt or screwdriver ETC, the Monster in question same just barely turned the engine. Replaced the Starter & replay bingo 100% on the button, prior to jumping the relay I confirmed just for safety sake & piece of mind that the engine freely turns over with the rotation service tool,
Then " bump started " bike to confirm the bike will actually start, then Relay jump
 
Dec 2012
220
40
Chicago
Worked on a Monster just couple weeks ago exact same symptoms, jump relay with bolt or screwdriver ETC, the Monster in question same just barely turned the engine. Replaced the Starter & replay bingo 100% on the button, prior to jumping the relay I confirmed just for safety sake & piece of mind that the engine freely turns over with the rotation service tool,
Then " bump started " bike to confirm the bike will actually start, then Relay jump
when you guys keep saying starter do you mean the starter motor ??

I just replaced the starter relay and the bike does the same thing. I verified that 12.4V go over to the motor.

Would this mean the issue is with the starter motor ???
 
May 2014
478
157
Lincoln MT
Yes " Starter Motor " your symptom sounds the same as the Monster, I'm not sure if the Panigale is the same mounting system as the Monster, but if it is you will need to remove generator cover to access a couple of fasteners to remove it, so you may need Gen' cover gasket / O ring

That's why I originally said about using a screw driver to jump the terminals of the Relay, I know it sound crude but this trick is old as the hills. Jumping the Term' of the relay would make the starter engage & work if the Relay was the problem.
 
Dec 2012
220
40
Chicago
Yes " Starter Motor " your symptom sounds the same as the Monster, I'm not sure if the Panigale is the same mounting system as the Monster, but if it is you will need to remove generator cover to access a couple of fasteners to remove it, so you may need Gen' cover gasket / O ring

That's why I originally said about using a screw driver to jump the terminals of the Relay, I know it sound crude but this trick is old as the hills. Jumping the Term' of the relay would make the starter engage & work if the Relay was the problem.
Checked and verified using a 12v supply.. the starter motor doesn't work. Looking at it - I think this is going to be a major pain to replace. Do I have to take the crank cover off to remove it ? Do I have to change the oil ? I'm due for an oil change either way but I really want to change it after I fix this issue.
 
Oct 2013
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uk
May 2014
478
157
Lincoln MT
I'm pretty sure you are going to need to remove Generator cover / drain oil, starter has 3 mounting bolts centered around starter drive gear + 2 end bolts.
 
Dec 2015
65
11
Boston
You can probably save your self a lot of money by replacing just the brush plate and seals, and cleaning the armature. Obviously I haven't had to do this on my 1199, but I "rebuilt" my 749 starter twice. If your handy enough to get the motor out, you might as well open it up, and clean it and try and reuse it. A little digging on Google with the Denso (or who ever makes the starter) manufacturer part number will likely lead you to a pre-assembled brush plate and seal kit. I know on my 749 oil would get into the starter and cook, as well as the brushes wearing. A $15 brush kit was all it needed. A new seal, new brushes and you basically have a new starter. Just note the orientation of the brush plate or your starter motor might spin backwards. It's very easy.
 
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Oct 2013
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uk
This ended auction has great close up images of starter motor and as you can see it appears to be held in place by 2 bolts only and the splined shaft just locates into/onto the main starter gear.

Ducati Complete Starter Motor 27040134A 1199 and 899 Panigale | eBay

Just spent bit time searching for a good pic on google and this one shows ya perfectly what your dealing with, no need to be removing covers and dropping oil ;)

I Have circled the starter motors gear/spline were it connects to the Large starter gear
 

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