Is VIN stored in the ecu/cluster? 2020 V4

[MdDuc]

Ok now question for the more technical folks... Aside from the vin obviously being stamped into your frame and on a sticker on the headlight bracket is the vin electronically stored 'somewhere' on the bike? I ask because I am looking at selling the ECU (with race evo map) for my 2020 base along with my full akra so the buyer can have the benefit of the racing evo map and then installing a 'stock' base v4 ECU back in my bike with the stock exhaust.

Is this doable? Will it cause some other unforeseen issue? I know when I plug my OBD reader into any vehicle I can pull the vin electronically onto my code reader. Are these bikes the same? I'm highly mechanically inclined but when it comes to ecus/clusters/race maps I'm a deer in headlights. I would think when a dealer plugs DDS into a bike they absolutely would be able to pull the vin and if so then my idea isn't going to work as I don't want my bikes vin being tied into another bike (if that makes sense)...

Many thanks.

 

[Alkhater]

Seems like a lot of work to sell an exhaust system but yes... I'm almost certain that the ECU is tied to the VIN.

Why wouldn't the buyer just get a better aftermarket tune?

 

[andyb]

your vin is in there and you should be able to see it with your OBD reader. You can also see what version of software it is.

I also think if its a ducati fitted ecu upgrade you can go back to the dealer they will return your bike back to stock and give you a voucher with a code for the software upgrade so you can pass that on with your exhaust.

there is no need to remove or sell your ecu.

 

[MdDuc]

Seems like a lot of work to sell an exhaust system but yes... I'm almost certain that the ECU is tied to the VIN.

Why wouldn't the buyer just get a better aftermarket tune?

What is a lot of work? It literally takes five minutes to remove the ecu and replace...

Furthermore, a lot of fellow Ducatisti (maybe not the type that frequent forums) are adamant about only using OEM maps- the fear of the whole warranty thing is why in my opinion. Its not my desire to question why a buyer would ask me for the factory supplied software- if they want it I am trying to do what I can to appease them. Frankly what they want isn't my business.

 

[MdDuc]

your vin is in there and you should be able to see it with your OBD reader. You can also see what version of software it is.

I also think if its a ducati fitted ecu upgrade you can go back to the dealer they will return your bike back to stock and give you a voucher with a code for the software upgrade so you can pass that on with your exhaust.

there is no need to remove or sell your ecu.

I've heard of this before but never actually reached out to a local dealers service department to verify. I will look into this. Thanks!

 

[andyb]

it'll look like this you get a code.

I understand the code will only give the relative update for the MY model the original exhaust was for. So although the second hand exhaust I bought was from a 2019 R and fitted my 2022 base, because the o2 ports are different ducati won't give the later update.
So going down the route you are looking at is a bit of work, will cost you at the dealer to unload and the price to reload into a new bike, and your captive audience will need to be the same year model as your exhaust.

If you just sold your exhaust for any model and they sort their own fuelling you are appealing to a bigger audience.

 

[MdDuc]

it'll look like this you get a code.

I understand the code will only give the relative update for the MY model the original exhaust was for. So although the second hand exhaust I bought was from a 2019 R and fitted my 2022 base, because the o2 ports are different ducati won't give the later update.
So going down the route you are looking at is a bit of work, will cost you at the dealer to unload and the price to reload into a new bike, and your captive audience will need to be the same year model as your exhaust.

If you just sold your exhaust for any model and they sort their own fuelling you are appealing to a bigger audience.
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OK, that's pretty legit. Why they couldn't stick to the old thumb drive is mind numbing! Guess they needed a way to support the greedy service departments @ $200 a hour to upload a map. Absurd....

 

[Deleted member 14059]

Not only is the VIN stored in the ECU, its in the dash, BBS, etc. There's also the issue of mileage stored on the various controllers. There's a way to re-write the mileage, but its only capable of writing the highest mileage, on whatever controllers its stored on, to all of the others. You also potentially run the risk of incompatibility between various software versions. If the BBS is at version X and the ECU is at version Y, version X may expect version Y to be in place and if it isn't, it will throw an error. I ran into this when flashing a map onto my bike, but was able to get it sorted with a new software version for the BBS.

 

[stgatev]

I don't know, but know that with some brands it is possible to move the ECU between bikes. Aprilia's Marelli are like that. At one point I had three ECUs. The mileage is stored in the dash. The BMW I believe stores the mileage in both the dash and ECU. Dunno how Ducati does it. If you feel adventurous, borrow and ECU and see how it goes.

 

[Steven31371]

Don’t do it, the bike has a black box module tied to the ECU that manages every electronic nanny on the bike, and they read each other and the VINS in both boxes need to match up or the system goes into error mode.

 

[Deleted member 14059]

You’d probably have to keep the dash, BBS, ECU and Ohlins controller if equipped together or fight the errors. Not that it couldn’t be done…

 

[stgatev]

I retract my suggestion to try a borrowed ECU.

 

[Deleted member 14059]

It couldn't hurt if you have access to another ECU. Worst case, you may have codes to clear.

 

[Cadreaming13]

I wondered the same thing. Recently I yard saled my 2020 base V4 club racing. The dash was one of the parts casualties, among many others (no dash protector-lesson learned). I picked up a used dash off of another 2020 V4. A hot swap of the dash on a running bike would show correct mileage on the stock dash, & the replacement would show dash marks for place holders. Indicating the dash isn’t a display unit only & has some communication back to the ECU/ black box. As the rebuild progresses I’ll advise of process/ info for corrections.

 

[Deleted member 14059]

I wondered the same thing. Recently I yard saled my 2020 base V4 club racing. The dash was one of the parts casualties, among many others (no dash protector-lesson learned). I picked up a used dash off of another 2020 V4. A hot swap of the dash on a running bike would show correct mileage on the stock dash, & the replacement would show dash marks for place holders. Indicating the dash isn’t a display unit only & has some communication back to the ECU/ black box. As the rebuild progresses I’ll advise of process/ info for corrections.

I've been on the fence as to damage protectors for the dash. Can you post pictures of your crashed dash?

 

[Cadreaming13]

Well, after my ordeal I’d say it’s worth it. If you are club racing or heavy into track days the $200ish, seems to be worth it given gr price of a new or even used dash. That being said I haven’t crashed with a dash protector to compare damage with/ without, to really say it’s worth it.
The rebuild is up on the you tubes
TxDucatiRacer

 

[Steven31371]

The Kraatech steering damper support, mellotti dash protector, and GB Racing engine protectors should be considered standard equipment if you track the bike

 

[djducatista]

Well, after my ordeal I’d say it’s worth it. If you are club racing or heavy into track days the $200ish, seems to be worth it given gr price of a new or even used dash. That being said I haven’t crashed with a dash protector to compare damage with/ without, to really say it’s worth it.
The rebuild is up on the you tubes
TxDucatiRacer

Thats some damage there. Did you have on the frame, steering stop protectors to prevent the steering stops from being torn apart?

 

[Cadreaming13]

Yeah, it wasn’t a good day ha. The steering stops on the triple clamps were already broken from a previous crash. Installed the spider steering stop & that worked well, no new damage there.

 

[Deleted member 14059]

Yeah, it wasn’t a good day ha. The steering stops on the triple clamps were already broken from a previous crash. Installed the spider steering stop & that worked well, no new damage there.

How would you rate the difficulty as to installing the Spider stop?