1199s vs 675r

Anyone ridden both of these? How do they compare handling and agility wise and the ease of riding with ability to carry corner speed.

jewcati said:

Anyone ridden both of these? How do they compare handling and agility wise and the ease of riding with ability to carry corner speed.

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Cant help but think you are trying for the same path I was. My plan, sell the 20K ducati pick up a 10K 675r as a track bike. Problems, love the 20K Ducati so have not been very motivated to sell it as well as the fact the season is coming to an end. I know a few guys on here have had or have 675s.

jewcati said:

Anyone ridden both of these? How do they compare handling and agility wise and the ease of riding with ability to carry corner speed.

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Haven't ridden the new '13 bike or an R, but I do have an '07 Daytona parked in my garage next to my Panigale. Very similar geometry/layout to the new Daytona, so I'd be surprised if it felt a lot different. Very similar bikes in overall weight, but with very different characteristics. Daytonas use quicker steering geometry with a very low trail number, so agility/turn in is on the sharp end of the sportbike world. The Pani has a more relaxed front end, but the low overall weight, combined with its high degree of mass centralization make themselves known whenever it's underway so it ends up just as agile if not moreso. I think the higher trail of the Pani gives better feel at the front end, and just about everyone racing Daytonas who has the $ to do it goes to an aftermarket triple to get more trail, sort of like everyone used to put 30mm triples on their XX98s. Stock, the Daytona dives in like a demon but feels like it'll steer right into the ground. Triumph's choosing to keep the low trail front end was, to me, the biggest disappointment with the new design. Fixable, but I'd have preferred it came fixed already. It's a design choice to make the bike more agile at street speeds and it works, but at the cost of mid-corner stability. No problem for a good, experienced rider, but definitely a different approach to handling.

The Daytona's considerably more compact as well in terms of rider triangle; you're right over the front end where you feel like you ride the Pani more in the middle.

I have the opportunity to grad the Pani for a really well set up 2012 675r. Just wondering if it is worth the hassle or if I should just throw track plastics on the Pani and call it a day. The tracks up here are super tight, so the Pani doesn't exactly get to stretch its legs.

2012 Triumph Daytona 675R DSB spec race bike -New Price- - Triumph675.Net Forums

I am an intermediate rider. What do you guys think?

I was tossing around the idea of trying to race, but I don't think it is feasible anyway, so displacement shouldn't matter

Just want to know what I will be faster on through the corners and more importantly...crashability

jewcati said:

I have the opportunity to grad the Pani for a really well set up 2012 675r. Just wondering if it is worth the hassle or if I should just throw track plastics on the Pani and call it a day. The tracks up here are super tight, so the Pani doesn't exactly get to stretch its legs.

2012 Triumph Daytona 675R DSB spec race bike -New Price- - Triumph675.Net Forums

I am an intermediate rider. What do you guys think?

I was tossing around the idea of trying to race, but I don't think it is feasible anyway, so displacement shouldn't matter

Just want to know what I will be faster on through the corners and more importantly...crashability

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Crashability goes to every bike other than the Pani.

Yeah, so I guess that is my main worry...do you worry about it on the track? I mean, there is no frame to bend, so that is positive, no?

Not having a frame probably makes the Pani more expensive to repair for the typical lowside type of crash. There are features built into the bike that are designed to break/snap in order to prevent twisting.

jewcati said:

Yeah, so I guess that is my main worry...do you worry about it on the track? I mean, there is no frame to bend, so that is positive, no?

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Yikes; didn't realize you were talking about a full-on, DSB spec Daytona. Got all the Daytona chassis issues sorted already and will be quite adjustable, so no worries there. That's a very nice bike for sure, but if it were me I'd keep or sell the Pani and pick up a decent shape, recent model GSX-R750 cheap to outfit for trackdays. Tons of relatively cheap parts available, huge engine/chassis setup knowledge base, and all the reliable poke you will ever need with a few tweaks.

I have a 2012 1199 S, a 2009 675 track bike and a 2103 675 R for the street, I use the Pani and the 09 on the track, the 09 675 is just awesome but there are quite a few mods to it ? I have about $25K into it, I use it for the tighters shorter tracks and the Pani for the higer speed tracks, I'm fortunate to own all three but to be honest if I had to choose I'd sell the 09 675 and the pani and prep the 2013 675R for the track, as a road bike its just fantastic, the comment about feeling like you are right on the front end is true of the 13 675R too.

The motor on the 13R is way stronger than the previous models too the handling right out of the box is just amazing (for the street) I think I am going to prep the 13 for the track next year, the Ohlins on the front has different internals which increase the travel (not as much as the K-Techs on the 09 track bike) maybe the front and TTX rear will be enough for the track??

All that said I would not be without the Pani at Mosport or Calabogie the Pani is just wicked around those tracks, its hard work at my local track hence the need for two bikes..but I'm old and like the easiest route! if you can afford it get the 13 675 R because it is that much better than the 12 R (which I had last year) or even the less expensive 675 and put some aftermarket suspension and brakes on it? you won't be disapointed!!

I haven't tracked either bike but have ridden both and the Daytona to me was fantastic... @Colyn's input says it all I think and that kind of feedback is invaluable..

Colyn,

This input is exactly what I am looking for. I would love a 2013 675R, but the trade in on the pani that I was offered was EVEN!

I can trade my pani for this 2012 675 R fully race prepped with the triples, k tech pro suspension all around and much more...about 35k into it.

IS the 13 REALLY that much better?

BTW I already have a gsxr750 for the track, but I am not going to be riding in the street anymore so I wanted a track bike I like a bit more...

colyn said:

I have a 2012 1199 S, a 2009 675 track bike and a 2103 675 R for the street, I use the Pani and the 09 on the track, the 09 675 is just awesome but there are quite a few mods to it ? I have about $25K into it, I use it for the tighters shorter tracks and the Pani for the higer speed tracks, I'm fortunate to own all three but to be honest if I had to choose I'd sell the 09 675 and the pani and prep the 2013 675R for the track, as a road bike its just fantastic, the comment about feeling like you are right on the front end is true of the 13 675R too.

The motor on the 13R is way stronger than the previous models too the handling right out of the box is just amazing (for the street) I think I am going to prep the 13 for the track next year, the Ohlins on the front has different internals which increase the travel (not as much as the K-Techs on the 09 track bike) maybe the front and TTX rear will be enough for the track??

All that said I would not be without the Pani at Mosport or Calabogie the Pani is just wicked around those tracks, its hard work at my local track hence the need for two bikes..but I'm old and like the easiest route! if you can afford it get the 13 675 R because it is that much better than the 12 R (which I had last year) or even the less expensive 675 and put some aftermarket suspension and brakes on it? you won't be disapointed!!

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jewcati said:

I have the opportunity to grad the Pani for a really well set up 2012 675r. Just wondering if it is worth the hassle or if I should just throw track plastics on the Pani and call it a day. The tracks up here are super tight, so the Pani doesn't exactly get to stretch its legs.

2012 Triumph Daytona 675R DSB spec race bike -New Price- - Triumph675.Net Forums

I am an intermediate rider. What do you guys think?

I was tossing around the idea of trying to race, but I don't think it is feasible anyway, so displacement shouldn't matter

Just want to know what I will be faster on through the corners and more importantly...crashability

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All that work to the bike and its tires are hot tearing to shreds.

Duck41 said:

Not having a frame probably makes the Pani more expensive to repair for the typical lowside type of crash. There are features built into the bike that are designed to break/snap in order to prevent twisting.

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panis don't crash well... slides are not worse than others, but if they flip, desintegration is very near...

i don't know what skill level you have to have to beat a well setup supersport on a tight track but it's very high... cornerspeeds are the same for both...

EvoL said:

All that work to the bike and its tires are hot tearing to shreds.

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My 09 675 is doing that to the Pirelli slicks I have fitted, they are the SC1 on the front and SC2 on the rear, the Bridgestone slicks I used before were perfect no irratic wear and lasted 7 track days, I have a thread on 675.net to try figure it out, we think its a heat issue..not hot enough.. I have the exact same tyres fitted on my Panni and they wore perfectly, admittidly they only lasted three track days but they were evenly worn out..I'm doing a track weekend 14/15 at my local track, there will be tyre guy's there so hopefully we can get a suspension config that suits the tyres and my fists of ham!!! especially the right hamfist lol

Yes the 13 675 is that good, the one in the picture has the full stage 4 Akro works system, MWR filter fitted, the exhaust flap is not there on that system as its a race system, ideally the head needs to have the exhaust ports shaped to match the headers, something I obviously did not do,the power delivery is just intoxicating it all starts at 6 grand and goes all the way to the red line, its shakes its head everywhere up until 4th gear WOT...I swear this pulls as hard as my 98 R1 used to...it really is impressive for the capacity,it does need a different steering damper for sure, I have a Hyperpro unit on order for it which is awesome I have one on my track bike it works great for me. I really don't ride the street any more the Panni is always in track mode so it's a pity to have the 13 R sitting around...

jewcati said:

Colyn,

This input is exactly what I am looking for. I would love a 2013 675R, but the trade in on the pani that I was offered was EVEN!

I can trade my pani for this 2012 675 R fully race prepped with the triples, k tech pro suspension all around and much more...about 35k into it.

IS the 13 REALLY that much better?

BTW I already have a gsxr750 for the track, but I am not going to be riding in the street anymore so I wanted a track bike I like a bit more...

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When i crashed at Calabogie on my Panni, (not the bikes fault) there was Sunday still to go, we were 17 in our group in the pits, I was fortunate enough to get to ride other bikes that were in different groups, amongst the bikes was an 07 GSXR 750 nicely prepped with slicks...it was really impressive also, it did not turn as quick and felt heavier to ride than the Triumph but all the same impressive.

in the same breath though its not a fair comparison as the 09 track bike I have is heavily modified, no emmisions components, no cooling fan, full Ti system, BST's etc etc so it is really light... I'm sure the 13 675R would be a really really good power match for the GSXR 750 with no engine mods, just the Exhaust and filter...and maybe a PCV and autotune kit or Kit ECU, just to clean up the transition from part to full throttle??

You will not be disappointed with any year 675 on the track. In my opinion it's the best 600 for the track, incredible. I'm still trying to get used to turning my Pani in with the longer rake, you need to carry more speed it seems for the bike to be stable. The Daytona is a scalpel though, so much fun.

MacaveliMC said:

You will not be disappointed with any year 675 on the track. In my opinion it's the best 600 for the track, incredible. I'm still trying to get used to turning my Pani in with the longer rake, you need to carry more speed it seems for the bike to be stable. The Daytona is a scalpel though, so much fun.

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See its people like you that have me wanting to sell the Pani to get a 675r.

My fear is a lowside that takes the Pani out (although it will be covered). Plan to run slicks and take it easy until I get the track plastics on it.