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Very smart for you, based on your purchase criteria and requirements, but hey, don't make it sound like the rest of us are suckers.

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+1......Maybe Ducati has produced another bike that only a Aussie can ride fast......havent heard Troy complain of anything, quite the oppisite in fact.
Also from what I have heard Carlos Checa is dying to get the bike along with a few thousand others:D
 
Very smart for you, based on your purchase criteria and requirements, but hey, don't make it sound like the rest of us are suckers.

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In the end, whether its a American magazine, UK, German, Spanish, etc etc, every magazine I read has different results for the same line up of bikes. At the end of the day, I'm looking forward to a "general" consensus of all the tests before I start to worry...

Either way, I'll be super happy with my 1199S when she gets here. BMW is a nice bike, probably too fast for me, the RSV4 is badass but my 6'2" 198lb frame would like silly on the dam thing, the Kawi is just pure ugly to me...

Still happy with my decision :D
 
Troy talking about Ducati going back to WSB and riding the Pani...."Of course I'm talking about the factory back in WSB on 1199, and I can't wait to go faster then I ever have at Mugello at next test"

He is hoping that this will happen with the purchase of Ducati by Audi as probably are a lot of us:D
 
As long as the front end is stable (which it is according to all reviews), this bike has all the components of the perfect SuperBike and definitely the most fun to ride.
 
As long as the front end is stable (which it is according to all reviews), this bike has all the components of the perfect SuperBike and definitely the most fun to ride.

You sure about that? It seems I read about high speed stability in a couple of places, most recently about why it finished 4th at Monza.
I also rememeber it being brought up at the press launch by at least one of the attendees.
Chris
 
Very smart for you, based on your purchase criteria and requirements, but hey, don't make it sound like the rest of us are suckers.

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Likewise, what % of Panigales do you think will every see anything like 300kmh on the clock? There aren't that many tracks with super long straights where this can be achieved. Besides this, I'm sure that temperature, wind, track layout, rider weight, tyre condition, tyre inflation, rider experience, aerodynamics, suspension setup, etc. etc. will all have some effect. If you insist on the top trumps method of bike selection, at least wait until there are a few more data points. You might also consider another factor, your own ability. I know for certain that the limiting factor of my Panigale will undoubtedly be me!

If you buy a bike because its 10kmh faster than another, you're going to be sorely disappointed in a matter of months. From my standpoint, who cares!
 
Least we forget - The bike Motocyclismo used produce 10% less power than any of the other, thus far, posted dyno figures. I've never been one to put much faith in dyno figures as they very from dyno to dyno and climate to climate, though as the BMW was tested on the same dyno and produced expected numbers, I'm inclined to think that the Panigale used was, for whatever reason, a "weak" example.

Also, the lap times were completed at Monza, not known as a twin friendly track - Think Chaca only just managed to stay in the top 10 there last year.

Until I see more comparisons, I'm inclined to think the cards were stacked against the Panigale this time.
 
Yep, more data points are in order. And on the way soon enough, as everyone's itching to get their grubby paws on the Panigale for a head-to-head throwdown.

That was an interesting result from Motociclismo's test at Monza. No doubt Pirovano's got the place figured and was a good choice of pilots with his experience. The disconnect for me comes from the lap time vs the top speed. Ducatis usually suffer at Monza on the straights, but if they managed to squeeze more speed out of the 1199 down the straight than anything but the BMW, then they had to be losing time in the turns. Would love to see sector times at least, if not more in-depth telemetry.

Chris Ulrich at Roadracingworld mentioned front end issues at the Yaz Marina intro. He said it kept tucking and sliding the front at apexes, but figured there was so much sand blowing onto the track he ended up chalking it up to that. In any case he came away saying it was the best Ducati he'd ever been on and thought the upcoming liter bike showdown would be interesting. So even the guys getting to do the comparos are wondering who's going to come out on top! ;)
 
The disconnect for me comes from the lap time vs the top speed. Ducatis usually suffer at Monza on the straights, but if they managed to squeeze more speed out of the 1199 down the straight than anything but the BMW, then they had to be losing time in the turns. Would love to see sector times at least, if not more in-depth telemetry.

Excellent point. It's nice reading well thought out posts like this one.
 
Yep, more data points are in order. And on the way soon enough, as everyone's itching to get their grubby paws on the Panigale for a head-to-head throwdown.

That was an interesting result from Motociclismo's test at Monza. No doubt Pirovano's got the place figured and was a good choice of pilots with his experience. The disconnect for me comes from the lap time vs the top speed. Ducatis usually suffer at Monza on the straights, but if they managed to squeeze more speed out of the 1199 down the straight than anything but the BMW, then they had to be losing time in the turns. Would love to see sector times at least, if not more in-depth telemetry.

Chris Ulrich at Roadracingworld mentioned front end issues at the Yaz Marina intro. He said it kept tucking and sliding the front at apexes, but figured there was so much sand blowing onto the track he ended up chalking it up to that. In any case he came away saying it was the best Ducati he'd ever been on and thought the upcoming liter bike showdown would be interesting. So even the guys getting to do the comparos are wondering who's going to come out on top! ;)


Hi Guys. As i told I was there in Monza the day 'Motociclismo' made the comparison. I had the same doubt, and was surprised about the top speed of the Pany, the second one on the straight. It was pretty strange that it's agility, low weight and power (wich was the third, off the Bnw and the kawi) put it in fourth place...

I asked the tester and Fabrizio Pirovano himself, and they spoke very well about agility, front end and brakes, the matter was some problem about stability in the very fast corners. You've to know that in Monza there is a very fast corner, named the 'curvone', just off the straigth, this is the corner when in 1973 Jarno Saarineen and Renzo Pasolini died in that terrific accident. It's a corner you go in sixth gear, full acceleration at 240 km / h and even more (that is nearly 150 mph) and where a little lack of stability cause you miss a ,lot of time.

They said the Bmw there was unreacheable, so as the Aprilia, the Pany was very good but not at the same level. I guess too the fourth place came out from that.
 
Very smart for you, based on your purchase criteria and requirements, but hey, don't make it sound like the rest of us are suckers.

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You know what is funny how these testers never have model year back to back test comparisons. It would be interesting to have a 1198 back to back with a 1199 too. They never will because imagine if the 1198 came back better in many areas!

They always just say yes feels better than last years model but I wonder in real world how many times it happens that the outgoing model is better than the incoming model. I am not speculating that here I'm just saying.
 
mmm did he say which mode they were comparing the bikes i.e. Race, Sport for the Duc and for the BMW Track or Race?
 
You know what is funny how these testers never have model year back to back test comparisons. It would be interesting to have a 1198 back to back with a 1199 too. They never will because imagine if the 1198 came back better in many areas!

They always just say yes feels better than last years model but I wonder in real world how many times it happens that the outgoing model is better than the incoming model. I am not speculating that here I'm just saying.

I agree. They told something like that about Bmw, the 2012 is a little more agile but the 2010 was more stable.
 
Hi Guys. As i told I was there in Monza the day 'Motociclismo' made the comparison. I had the same doubt, and was surprised about the top speed of the Pany, the second one on the straight. It was pretty strange that it's agility, low weight and power (wich was the third, off the Bnw and the kawi) put it in fourth place...

I asked the tester and Fabrizio Pirovano himself, and they spoke very well about agility, front end and brakes, the matter was some problem about stability in the very fast corners. You've to know that in Monza there is a very fast corner, named the 'curvone', just off the straigth, this is the corner when in 1973 Jarno Saarineen and Renzo Pasolini died in that terrific accident. It's a corner you go in sixth gear, full acceleration at 240 km / h and even more (that is nearly 150 mph) and where a little lack of stability cause you miss a ,lot of time.

They said the Bmw there was unreacheable, so as the Aprilia, the Pany was very good but not at the same level. I guess too the fourth place came out from that.

Thank you! I had wondered which corner or corners were giving them problems, since it wouldn't seem to have been Parabolica given the speed on the straight. I'm guessing you mean what most of us think of as Curva Grande or Biassono; it's full gas around there after the super slow Rettifilio chicane. If memory serves that's where Haga nailed a bird at speed on the opening lap a couple years back and went off at Della Roggia since he was so stunned. Can definitely lose a chunk of time there if you're off the throttle while everyone else is on it.
 
Thank you! I had wondered which corner or corners were giving them problems, since it wouldn't seem to have been Parabolica given the speed on the straight. I'm guessing you mean what most of us think of as Curva Grande or Biassono; it's full gas around there after the super slow Rettifilio chicane. If memory serves that's where Haga nailed a bird at speed on the opening lap a couple years back and went off at Della Roggia since he was so stunned. Can definitely lose a chunk of time there if you're off the throttle while everyone else is on it.

You're right, that's the 'curva grande'. They told there the stability of Bmw made the difference. Also in the Parabolica corner the tc Aprilia was the better one, and that was the reason of the Rsv4 better performance. They were surprised of the Aprilia result, as it put pout 20 hp less then the Bmw and 10 less than the Panigale, but the electronic package of the Ape is by far the best one, as they said.
 
You're right, that's the 'curva grande'. They told there the stability of Bmw made the difference. Also in the Parabolica corner the tc Aprilia was the better one, and that was the reason of the Rsv4 better performance. They were surprised of the Aprilia result, as it put pout 20 hp less then the Bmw and 10 less than the Panigale, but the electronic package of the Ape is by far the best one, as they said.

Thank you for the excellent info! I have a deposit on the Panigale, but I do like the Aprilia as well! Don't think you can beat the unique vibe of a Ducati though.
 

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