2012 Panigale with a heat issue

Yep your sitting on a small bonfire.


If she isn't getting over 50mph its going to be hot as hell no matter what you do or how you tune.


The key is keeping engine temps below 200f.


Keep the engine below 200f is the only battle I face, so far the only way I can is by hauling azz

Buliwyf said:

Get rid of the charcoal canister.

Get properly dyno tuned. If your Ducati dealership has no dyno, find a new one.

Core the stock exhaust. Delete the flapper. Cats are hot.

Avoid traffic. It's a trackday bike. Stick to mountain roads and the track. It will nuke in 25mph traffic.

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A few things wrong with everything you just said. Why should I have to delete ANYTHING or modify ANYTHING on a completely stock bike for it to run right? The answer is I shouldn't have to. Also, it isn't a track bike. It is a street bike that does well on the track. It is sold as a street bike and therefore, that is how it's used. 25 mph traffic or 60 mph, a new bike should perform flawlessly without having to delete anything from it or spending additional money for parts and tune.

Axis1199 said:

A few things wrong with everything you just said. Why should I have to delete ANYTHING or modify ANYTHING on a completely stock bike for it to run right? The answer is I shouldn't have to. Also, it isn't a track bike. It is a street bike that does well on the track. It is sold as a street bike and therefore, that is how it's used. 25 mph traffic or 60 mph, a new bike should perform flawlessly without having to delete anything from it or spending additional money for parts and tune.

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but that's the problem if you expect a 200hp bike to be a street bike your are sorely mistaken and you have bought the wrong machine, it can work on the street but there will be issues and the heat is obviously one of them. This is a race bike bike with number plates end of story its pushing out HP numbers that only a few years back would have been on the moto gp grid.

you want comfy, good mpg, heated grips etc go buy a multi it will probably be a better bike for you

Axis1199 said:

A few things wrong with everything you just said. Why should I have to delete ANYTHING or modify ANYTHING on a completely stock bike for it to run right? .

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Because Ducati is required to make these bikes 50 state legal instead of how they were designed in Italy.


So simply take off the cable to the exhaust flapper so its always open.

Go buy a 1 dollar 1/4 T fitting and bypass the canister like we all have done.



Just so you know these bikes are made to run fast, that is their design.


And f you don't use them as they were built, you are asking for issues.



Most of us knew this going in before we bought the bike.

i heard stuffing a tampon into one's mangina helps alleviate some of the heat issues.... try that & let us know..

reganc said:

but that's the problem if you expect a 200hp bike to be a street bike your are sorely mistaken and you have bought the wrong machine, it can work on the street but there will be issues and the heat is obviously one of them. This is a race bike bike with number plates end of story its pushing out HP numbers that only a few years back would have been on the moto gp grid.

you want comfy, good mpg, heated grips etc go buy a multi it will probably be a better bike for you

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Don't believe I said anything about comfort, just think if you're paying $18k plus for a bike then it should operate without issue.

outhouse said:

Because Ducati is required to make these bikes 50 state legal instead of how they were designed in Italy.


So simply take off the cable to the exhaust flapper so its always open.

Go buy a 1 dollar 1/4 T fitting and bypass the canister like we all have done.



Just so you know these bikes are made to run fast, that is their design.


And f you don't use them as they were built, you are asking for issues.



Most of us knew this going in before we bought the bike.

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I didn't want to modify the bike at all because I didn't want there to be any chance of Ducati being able to void my warranty. I think that's pretty understandable.

VAST said:

i heard stuffing a tampon into one's mangina helps alleviate some of the heat issues.... try that & let us know..

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if you have nothing to contribute to this thread aside from being an ....... then kindly piss off. Try that and let me know how that works for you.

Axis1199 said:

Don't believe I said anything about comfort, just think if you're paying $18k plus for a bike then it should operate without issue.
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it does operate but again you have to realize you essentially bought a race bike with a number plate and lights so there will be downsides, for traffic and short jaunts this is not the right bike but it can do it.

i think the misconception is you think you bought a street bike that is good on the track when in fact you bought a race bike that can work on the street.

I'm sorry you are having these issues but this bike is not made for 2 up riding and jaunts around town.

Just out of curiosity is the Panigale your first race replica?

reganc said:

it does operate but again you have to realize you essentially bought a race bike with a number plate and lights so there will be downsides, for traffic and short jaunts this is not the right bike but it can do it.

i think the misconception is you think you bought a street bike that is good on the track when in fact you bought a race bike that can work on the street.

I'm sorry you are having these issues but this bike is not made for 2 up riding and jaunts around town.

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You say that like you assume I live in a city where it's non-stop stop-n-go traffic. I live out in the sticks where there are lots of windy roads and also highways. Not a lot of stop-n-go traffic at all.

BTrain5489 said:

Just out of curiosity is the Panigale your first race replica?

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I've owned 2 R6's and a 2001 996. The 996 had issues due to the previous owner storing the bike for such a long period of time which caused some of the seals to dry out and crack but aside from that there wasn't much else that went wrong with it (aside from the common coolant expansion tank cracking). And honestly, I highly doubt that the Panigale that is offered to the general public (even the Superleggara) is even close to the bike they race in WSBK. That's like saying the rally cars used in WRC are just like the ones at the dealership. Yeah, it starts out as a production car but by the time it's prepped to race there's nothing production about it except the chassis.

Axis1199 said:

A few things wrong with everything you just said. Why should I have to delete ANYTHING or modify ANYTHING on a completely stock bike for it to run right? The answer is I shouldn't have to. Also, it isn't a track bike. It is a street bike that does well on the track. It is sold as a street bike and therefore, that is how it's used. 25 mph traffic or 60 mph, a new bike should perform flawlessly without having to delete anything from it or spending additional money for parts and tune.

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I can understand your frustrations--but you also have to realize what has been said before--Ducati had to make this bike legal for sale in all 50 states--and sometimes that means leaning the bike out, or adding .... that you don't need. When other guys that have had similar (not saying the same) issues and have found ways around those issues by small modifications--what is the harm in trying the solutions? They could possibly fix the problem all together and then you would have to deal with the worthless twits at DNA. The 1199 is sold as a street bike, but it lives for the track...I know that my bike isn't happy one bit if I am chugging around backroads at 50/60%, she wants to be pushed, and pushed hard at that. I agree with Buli, I think those simple upgrades would make some serious headway in getting rid of your heat problems. Less than 6 months after I had my 1199, the heat coming from under my seat was slowly roasting my seeds every time I took the bike out for a ride and I figured it was time to make some changes. I read the forum and scoured the different threads and I ended up sending my cans out to Phl, called Randy out at bellissimoto (thanks Gunny) and upgraded my air filter, and picked up a RB module from Guido at shift tech. Those upgrades won't break the bank and they will make your rides much more enjoyable--whether you're commuting to work and have to sit in traffic for a few, out in the sticks riding twisties, or at the track letting the bike do what she was made to do. I hope you get your issues all ironed out, and I wish you all the best working with DNA, I have had nothing but ...... experiences with them.

Axis1199 said:

Don't believe I said anything about comfort, just think if you're paying $18k plus for a bike then it should operate without issue.



I didn't want to modify the bike at all because I didn't want there to be any chance of Ducati being able to void my warranty. I think that's pretty understandable.



if you have nothing to contribute to this thread aside from being an ....... then kindly piss off. Try that and let me know how that works for you.

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i was serious: try lining your full leathers w/ tampons (esp around the rear shock protrusion) -- should work quite well...

Wow...who is the troll now

Race bike or not.. it should run better from the Factory.. I realize that if you take two big 116 mm pistons reciprocating at about 1500 rpm at idle (and wrap them in plastic and put 60mm exhaust pipe near your nether regions) and it is going to be hot.

However running at 16.5 to 1 or higher AFR (right in the cruising rpm range between 3200 to 4500 RPM like mine (and many others are doing) doesn't help either.. Evidently Ducati cannot get this bike to pass emissions and EPA regulations unless they really lean them out. That is why some people have their rear fender/ hugger actually MELTING and bubbling up.. A friend of mine has that problem on his new 1299..
I am amazed that the bikes don't crater a piston with the lean mixtures that are allowed right from the factory..
When I bought the bike I expected mine to run hot compared to the ZX10R I had previously, but I didn't expect to have to add another $1000 in modifications "
like the Rapid Bike Racing module and Sprint filter just to get it to run even "relatively smooth" (in other words not bucking and kicking and surging etc) under 5000 rpm..!

The Panigale is a beautiful bike but after experiencing its electrical/fueling issues it has really detracted from its performance and desirability for me....

Speedy

speedy14 said:

experiencing its electrical/fueling issues



Speedy

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Its funny most of the people that complain about this are coming from inline 4rs


I heard the same complaints about the 848 as well.




I think many confuse the whole twin aspect of the picture to some extent.



I certainly don't have the issues you speak of, never had. I understand one can improve the twins mapping but many get by without it and beat the hell out of their bikes.

Nope,

I have had the same issues with the 1299. I'm not new to V twins.

I'm glad that I'm not alone in thinking that having to spend extra money, on top of the already pricey bike, to get it to run right is just wrong. Not all of us have unlimited funds to throw at a bike.

Axis1199 said:

I'm glad that I'm not alone in thinking that having to spend extra money, on top of the already pricey bike, to get it to run right is just wrong. Not all of us have unlimited funds to throw at a bike.

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Ducatis are not cheap bikes, not to buy and not to run, but once its going well you are in biking Nirvana.

Joker1199 said:

Nope,

I have had the same issues with the 1299. I'm not new to V twins.

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Regardless, this same complaint comes in the last 5 years by a lot of inline 4 riders who migrate. Its been said of the 848, 1098, 1199, and now the 1299.

Like it or not a pattern does exist.


And those who don't push it really whine.


Now maybe the 1299 is different, but this thread is about the 1199. All I know is mine has been a sick ride bone stock and with the full termi.



Only complaint is valley heat 100f days being stuck in traffic when the motor gets over 200f and your 2 hours from home.

Axis1199 said:

I'm glad that I'm not alone in thinking that having to spend extra money, on top of the already pricey bike, to get it to run right is just wrong.

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If we take you out riding your not going to be dogging it at 5k rpm. And magically all your issues disappear.


Running "right" means your over 5 K beating on the red dash light staying in the power band.


Your bike is right, its like idling a F1 car and then complaining it sucks to get groceries in.

I really thought complaining about loosing bolts and heating bikes is over.

In my opinion it's a question of your personal attitude: If you don't like your vehicle, you could either change/modify it or buy another one.

It's simply imposible to construct a perfect bike that is THAT good looking, so aggressive and having the characteristics of a jealous italian woman for a reasonable price.