For Sale 2017 1299 Superleggera in MINT perfect condition

dieonthishill said:

Miles reflect the price.

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I see, said the blind man.

T-bone said:

I see, said the blind man.

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To his deaf wife

dieonthishill said:

I’m thinking of getting that exhaust. How do you like it?

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I've been very happy with it. My local shop, Desmoto Sport, said it went on very easily and fit well. I was able to find an underbelly oil catch pan for it from a company in Czechoslovakia, or some other easter euro country. The exhaust facilitates oil changes much better than the Termi slip-on system did. It seems to run a bit cooler as well, but I use this bike for track only so it's not an apples to apples comparison. I believe we put the Up-Map T800 on there with their Akra map for improved midrange. The dip around 4K RPMs disappeared.

Overall, for what I paid, I feel like it was a very good value.

Paul G said:

Plenty of people can afford an SL, and the asking price is fair, even I could cough up 75k

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What’s your definition of plenty?
The cost of an SL is more than the yearly income of most households…

The SLs are VERY expensive and a dream for many. It seems most of them take a REAL dive in value. I think in part because Ducati will introduce features they later put on their less expensive models, like the new dash layout, see below, or the 1299 FE which seemed similar to the 1299 SL.

Another reason I think these premium models take a dive is market forces....anyone that has ridden the $65,000 1199 Superleggera will tell you by any standard the bike IS incredible YET that bike can be purchased in like new condition today for 45k (-30%).
A LOT more people can afford 45k, especially for a dream but what else can you get for 45k today? A stock V4R, which is even better, albeit heavier....

The 1199 Superleggera was a parts special IMHO. They took some lightweight parts and bolted them to a 1199R motor with some ecu tuning.

The V4 Superleggera went a little further with the amount of parts that were unique to the bike but the motor was once again an R motor with no real changes.

The 1299 Superleggera is the special one, once again IMHO. This bike had a bespoke 1299 motor with vastly different internals including crank, rods and pistons and a unique exhaust ONLY found on the SL.

The 1299 FE had a similar-looking exhaust but to those that have looked in detail there are many differences that allow for clearance of the kickstand, rear tire and turn signals.

SickDuc said:

What’s your definition of plenty?
The cost of an SL is more than the yearly income of most households…

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40 million people earn over 200k year which should be enough especially if you save for a little bit and have some accumulated investments. Heaps of people buy cars worth their annual salary on finance, I am not saying its a great idea but if you really want an SL you can probably buy one.

@Paul G SWEET! That's insane to think about though, 40,000,000 people make that much money worldwide?

roadracerx said:

@Paul G SWEET! That's insane to think about though, 40,000,000 people make that much money worldwide?

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12% of the US population household income is over 200k! So a bit misleading but i presume a significant number are single earners on high salaries or business owners
you might need approval from your significant other


Worldwide there are far more people earning over 200k, which is a just a random figure

Paul G said:

12% of the US population household income is over 200k

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A household is more than one person, so $200K for a combined household income isn't a lot, and if you consider there are wildly different cost of living adjustments across the country that figure is almost meaningless. In some parts of California, you would be struggling. In Kansas, you'd be living pretty good.

To say the SL is more than most household incomes is kind of sketchy. I'm sure you could find numbers to support that, but you're playing a stat shell game. The question at hand is what's the median household income of North American Ducati owners?

Most of the people that make 200k+ annually are roughly $750k - $1 million in debt buying things they don’t need to impress people they don’t like and obviously using money they don’t have to accomplish it.

Just because a person makes a lot of money does NOT mean they are positioned to buy a premier bike or exotic car. Many times, they are not because their debt to income ratio sucks. The ones that remain are too busy chasing money to have time to ride a motorcycle.

Would be kinda like buying a submarine with a screen door to most of them…..nice to gaze at but useless in the big picture.

T-bone said:

Most of the people that make 200k+ annually are roughly $750k - $1 million in debt…

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What percentage is “most”?

Reference source to support your assertion?

craig bush said:

What percentage is “most”?

Reference source to support your assertion?

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87-92%. Surely we can agree that classifies as “most”.

Finance and accounting is my bubble. Due to clientele protection agreements, I can’t disclose data but I promise you, untold people couldn’t afford to buy a sport bike. Heck, loan agencies would never loan close to that either so the pool of potential buyers of a used SL for $75k is greatly limited to the Saavy and wise steward of finances.

Of that small pool of people (the saavy and wise) with cash at their disposal, the likelihood of finding one of them to lay out $75k for a motorcycle is about as good as finding a monkey that can speak Norwegian.



This is the shape of many Americans.

PS - I assume you are aware that America leads the world in consumer credit card debt which just topped over 1 trillion. Think about that for a moment.

T-bone said:

Due to clientele protection agreements, I can’t disclose data but I promise you, untold people couldn’t afford to buy a sport bike.

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Are you saying that your "clients," who can afford to pay someone who does whatever you do, can't afford a Ninja 400?

T-bone said:

I assume you are aware that America leads the world in consumer credit card debt which just topped over 1 trillion.

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And?

bp_SFV4 said:

Are you saying that your "clients," who can afford to pay someone who does whatever you do, can't afford a Ninja 400?

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Umm, this discussion surrounds a $75,000 SL; not a Ninja 400. How did that idea even surface? Is that what you ride?

I recommend you begin reading from the top

bp_SFV4 said:

And?

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Nationally, we are in debt way over our head. Given 67% of Americans cannot pay off their CC debt and resort to monthly payments with insanely high interest rates should indicate we are, for the most part, very limited as to what “recreational” items can be obtained.

I say that generally. No doubt there are a few on here that could produce (or obtain) $75k very quickly, if need be, but that’s the exception and again, within that group, few want an expensive room ornament to dust off, insure and eventually buy a battery for when more cost effective options exist for a similar thrill.

The SL listed is a dream bike and no doubt worth the asking price. One must then ponder why it is still available? I’ve supplied the answer.

As an owner of an 998R, my largest concern comes from crashing/breaking the damn thing. I seldomly ride my 'Garage Queen' as I am constantly worried about what replacement costs would be if I bin it. I can totally respect the asking price, it is the replacement parts that worry me. 19 broken bones and counting + 6 wadded up motorbikes, 4 mountain bikes and 2 cars totaled. Tragedy is an inevitability for a guy like me...

T-bone said:

Umm, this discussion surrounds a $75,000 SL; not a Ninja 400. How did that idea even surface? Is that what you ride?

I recommend you begin reading from the top

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You wrote verbatim "untold people couldn’t afford to buy a sport bike." I'm sure you are aware, beyond the thinly veiled insult you hurled at me, sport bikes exist at wildy different price points. What you wrote is simply not true.

T-bone said:

Nationally, we are in debt way over our head. Given 67% of Americans cannot pay off their CC debt and resort to monthly payments with insanely high interest rates should indicate we are, for the most part, very limited as to what “recreational” items can be obtained.

I say that generally. No doubt there are a few on here that could produce (or obtain) $75k very quickly, if need be, but that’s the exception and again, within that group, few want an expensive room ornament to dust off, insure and eventually buy a battery for when more cost effective options exist for a similar thrill.

The SL listed is a dream bike and no doubt worth the asking price. One must then ponder why it is still available? I’ve supplied the answer.

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Because the forum doesn't reach enough of an audience of prospective buyers.

A forum post in which someone is trying to sell a motorcycle is an odd outlet for an indictment of spending habits.

Respectfully, albeit entertaining, I think it is possible we have gotten a bit off topic.

Who likes motorcycles that are rare, go fast and look awesome?!

If I had $75K this thread would be closed, done deal no questions asked. Specifically for the lightweight crank and the cereal bowl cylinders at 110hp each. Quit complaining about the price this bike is the american dream if you have the cash