2017 Ducati 1299 LCI?

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GunMoto said:
Is the 1299 getting a mid-cycle update for 2017?

Looks like Akrapovic's twin silencer "SBK" exhaust may become available to consumers? :eek:

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Source: Updated Ducati 1299 Panigale spied testing | MCN
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Ducati needs MORE cylinders if it is seriously going to compete with every other bike out there.

Another rehash of the same old thing (with really FUGLY exhaust) and some trim pieces changed Of course the production bile will probably look very different anyway... .. That exhaust will just raise the center of gravity. And also the heat felt on the back end..
Next year they are required to have Euro 4 specifications over here also.. The new Kawasaki ZX10 already meets the Euro 4 herein the states.. That is why it didn't come out on top power wise when compared to the other bikes in the last comparo in Sport Rider... Wait till next year when all bikes have to meet the new regulations.. 2016 may be the last year to get a bike that runs well without all the Euro 4 restrictions regarding noise and emissions output etc..
 
speedy14 said:
Next year they are required to have Euro 4 specifications over here also..
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Does that apply to Harley's as well? Although I guess most of those coming new off the showroom floor are probably much quieter until it gets home and the straight through pipes go on....:)
 
speedy14 said:
Ducati needs MORE cylinders if it is seriously going to compete with every other bike out there.

Another rehash of the same old thing (with really FUGLY exhaust) and some trim pieces changed Of course the production bile will probably look very different anyway... .. That exhaust will just raise the center of gravity. And also the heat felt on the back end..
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No it doesn't. It is competing just fine with 2 cylinders, in SSTK and SBK trim. I don't know why people keep saying that over and over on this forum. I wish I had a dollar for every time somebody has said "it needs 4cyl to keep up" or "they will have to go to a V4 to remain competitive", so on and so forth.

FWIW - the bikes make PLENTY of power. They make so much power that it has to be heavily controlled with electronics. The whole reason behind traction control and wheelie control is because the bike is physically incapable of maintaining traction and/or forward drive without limiting the power output. More power would just mean more electronic intervention.

I like the idea of the V4, because I like the power delivery of my RSV4. I like having the mechanical grip due to the power pulses, but also having the quicker revving motor. And the sound is incredible. But to suggest that Ducati "needs" a V4 is silly. They have produced a bike that puts almost 200hp to the rear wheel off the showroom floor, while having a 15,000 mile valve service interval. And in WSBK they are just as fast as any of the other bikes.

As far as the exhaust, raising the CoG isn't a concern with this design. The other design had the big loop that came up under the seat. This just has the 2 very small pipes that are almost in the same place. It isn't like the old R1 or MV exhaust with the huge pipes that come out way up high under the tail section. The effects of this new exhaust are negligible.
 
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As far as that twin Akra exhaust, I love it. I think it looks badass. I think it is probably the sexiest exhaust I have ever seen on any bike.

BUT...something to keep in mind, it will be loud AF.

Shakey's team in BSB started running that twin exhaust, but they had to have bigger cans because of the 107db BSB limit (compared to 115db in WSBK). I don't know of any tracks in the US that allow over 103db, and some places are even lower.

That exhaust might be unusable to many of us.
 
Chaotic said:
As far as that twin Akra exhaust, I love it. I think it looks badass. I think it is probably the sexiest exhaust I have ever seen on any bike.

BUT...something to keep in mind, it will be loud AF.

Shakey's team in BSB started running that twin exhaust, but they had to have bigger cans because of the 107db BSB limit (compared to 115db in WSBK). I don't know of any tracks in the US that allow over 103db, and some places are even lower.

That exhaust might be unusable to many of us.
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i heard it in person and it is extremely noticeably louder than other exhausts in WSBK bikes.
 
youngR said:
i heard it in person and it is extremely noticeably louder than other exhausts in WSBK bikes.
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Yeah, that will cause issues in the US. I don't see anyone actually being able to use it, unless they come out with some different cans.

But then again, I am sure there are some asshats that will spend thousands and thousands on a full racing exhaust just so they can ride to Starbucks at 115db. :rolleyes:
 
The exhaust pictured on the prototype still has the box in the belly. I would guess they would be just going for the looks and the cans under the seat are nothing more than slip-ons. Noise shouldn't be too obnoxious until someone ditches that whole cat section and straight pipes it.
 
shakazulu12 said:
The exhaust pictured on the prototype still has the box in the belly. I would guess they would be just going for the looks and the cans under the seat are nothing more than slip-ons. Noise shouldn't be too obnoxious until someone ditches that whole cat section and straight pipes it.
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Ah, very valid point. After looking closely i see it now. Yeah, it is probably just slipons trying to mimmick/fake the WSBK exhaust.
 
youngR said:
I talked to Akra rep in person last week. They say there is no way that this exhausts will be public use or sale. It will be 10k plus and if they made it cheaper than it will lose the benefits and the current one is better in the case.
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to comply with both the letter and spirit of World Superbike racing, Akrapovic will have to offer the exhaust for sale to the public - NOT necessarily homologated for the road, but accessible to a regular Joe - at a "reasonable" cost. $10,000 probably sounds about right, plus or minus a few grand - we won't be seeing it sold for $100,000 because while that might be ok for a MotoGP bike, that's not "reasonably priced" for a public consumer - or more accurately, for a privateer team to be able to buy the same parts used in the factory works bikes and stay within budget. Since Akrapovic won't be making many of these exhausts (a handful for SBK teams, and a few more for privateer racers and extremely wealthy trackday junkies) they'll cost more obviously than a mass produced exhaust - which we all know they charge $5000 for.

there is probably some incentive for factory teams to delay the availability of certain key parts and there is probably some flexibility in the rules - just as there is flexibility in meeting production numbers for homologating a bike for racing. Just how long did Bimota race its BB3 until it was banned because Bimota never actually put the bike into real production, let alone in the numbers required to meet homologation rules?

But everything, down to the software, is supposed to be available.

Anyways, the explanation for the exhaust in that picture is simple. It's nothing like the actual SBK race exhaust, just an imitation in the broadest sense. I'm sure Ducati has to quiet down the 1299 for the EU market, so instead of sticking side cans on like the 959 Panigale, they can build the cats and mufflers inside a fat heavy hideous bladder, and they attach the periscope endpipes and make it look "racey". More than a few salesmen will surely claim that exhaust to be "just like the SBK race exhausts". But I'll bet real money that the exhaust in that picture is far quieter than the current stock exhaust, and probably so clean you can breathe that exhaust alone with little ill effect.
 
Chaotic said:
As far as that twin Akra exhaust, I love it. I think it looks badass. I think it is probably the sexiest exhaust I have ever seen on any bike.

BUT...something to keep in mind, it will be loud AF.

Shakey's team in BSB started running that twin exhaust, but they had to have bigger cans because of the 107db BSB limit (compared to 115db in WSBK). I don't know of any tracks in the US that allow over 103db, and some places are even lower.

That exhaust might be unusable to many of us.
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kismetcapitan said:
to comply with both the letter and spirit of World Superbike racing, Akrapovic will have to offer the exhaust for sale to the public - NOT necessarily homologated for the road, but accessible to a regular Joe - at a "reasonable" cost. $10,000 probably sounds about right, plus or minus a few grand - we won't be seeing it sold for $100,000 because while that might be ok for a MotoGP bike, that's not "reasonably priced" for a public consumer - or more accurately, for a privateer team to be able to buy the same parts used in the factory works bikes and stay within budget. Since Akrapovic won't be making many of these exhausts (a handful for SBK teams, and a few more for privateer racers and extremely wealthy trackday junkies) they'll cost more obviously than a mass produced exhaust - which we all know they charge $5000 for.

there is probably some incentive for factory teams to delay the availability of certain key parts and there is probably some flexibility in the rules - just as there is flexibility in meeting production numbers for homologating a bike for racing. Just how long did Bimota race its BB3 until it was banned because Bimota never actually put the bike into real production, let alone in the numbers required to meet homologation rules?

But everything, down to the software, is supposed to be available.

Anyways, the explanation for the exhaust in that picture is simple. It's nothing like the actual SBK race exhaust, just an imitation in the broadest sense. I'm sure Ducati has to quiet down the 1299 for the EU market, so instead of sticking side cans on like the 959 Panigale, they can build the cats and mufflers inside a fat heavy hideous bladder, and they attach the periscope endpipes and make it look "racey". More than a few salesmen will surely claim that exhaust to be "just like the SBK race exhausts". But I'll bet real money that the exhaust in that picture is far quieter than the current stock exhaust, and probably so clean you can breathe that exhaust alone with little ill effect.
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the race exhaust has to be made available to the public? Since when? satellite teams in WSBK aren't getting the Aruba.ot Akra exhaust. The only reason Xavi has them on his Barni bike is because Ducati agreed to give him everything. The factory guys get. So, why would it need to be available to the public?
 
The exhaust has to be close in design to the homologation bike. EBR had these problems in their short WSBK stint. The RX came with a high side-mount, but their race exhaust was always underslung.

I've been trying to figure out how Ducati is getting away with this setup this long.
 
double0 said:
Those wheels are sooooo much better looking than the chicken feet and base model. The exhaust might be more functional but it sure does take away from the aesthetics of the bike. Just doesn't flow with the lines on the Panigale. That thing is UGLY AS F_ _ K
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Agree 100% Just put it back where it used to be, or leave it down low. This looks like something I'd rig in my garage with some JB weld.
 
10W50 said:
According to the current report in "Motorrad" 17/2016 the Panigale will not get homologated according Euro4 (noise, emissions, ...) . For this reason, the 1299 Panigale will be sold only as remaining stock!
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I'll have to take your word for it, the magazine article is in German LOL
 
Don't quote me on this as i don't know for sure but i also reckon the Panigale will be replaced by a new bike in 2017. I do believe its just too noisy to pass Euro 4 rules.
 

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