2022 V4 revs out more than the 2021

Just noticed this. Looks like the 2022 (top) gets 1000 more rpm’s than the 2021 (bottom). Probably from the updated oil pump. Just a thousand rpm shy of the ti-conrod annd valved R. Another reason to get a 2022.

IDK if I would read too much into that. The same manual says the max RPM is 15,000 in 6th gear which is the same as 18-21.

Rev limit on 22's didn't change

Dash says differently. Or am I taking crazy pills?

Engine internals are the same. Exhaust changed. Electronics changed. Your not going to get 1000 more revs with same pistons/ rods and longevity. Engine makes 210hp here about 215.5 in Europe. 21’s made 214 stock. You get 14500 in 6th gear only.

Jolly Roger V4 said:

Engine internals are the same. Exhaust changed. Electronics changed. Your not going to get 1000 more revs with same pistons/ rods and longevity. Engine makes 210hp here about 215.5 in Europe. 21’s made 214 stock. You get 14500 in 6th gear only.

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You have confirmation that the internals are the same?

From the manuals, the 2022 over-revs at 15k whereas the 2021 over-revs at 12.5-13k (not sure what Performance ECU means). I think the hard limiter is at 15.5k on the 2022 and 14.5k on the 2021 (arrows where the the solid line starts). Additionally, the 2022 might have even more revs to work with as when you’re in Track Evo mode that solid line creeps to 16.5k.

I’ll get clarification when I take the bike in and talk to the SAM for the fork change.

You have to combine sources of information to ensure accuracy. So personal experience (the best), testimony of others, video, photograph etc. Ducati manuals aren't Gospel. There are errors.

Even then, with the added Euro 5 restrictions, is the bike making more power there, or did they increase the rev limit to address gearing changes and/or power decreases due to the limits? Most tunes can add to the rev limit, but is it really worth anything?

Past the HP peak, say around 13.5k, it starts to feel anemic. It doesn't pull as hard anymore. Just adding revs isn't very useful unless you're changing fueling or removing intake or exhaust restrictions.

I hear the forks are great though.

bp_SFV4 said:

I hear the forks are great though.

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That's mean

So what's the bottom line on why the 22s are much easier to ride than older bikes? Better chassis setup handed down from R, better gear ratio, better electronics. Is that it?

TomFoolery said:

That's mean

So what's the bottom line on why the 22s are much easier to ride than older bikes? Better chassis setup handed down from R, better gear ratio, better electronics. Is that it?

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Swingarm pivot. That 4mm difference is where it's at!

If there is an upgraded oil pump on the 2022 it might be worth seeing if that can be retrofitted to the earlier models. That would help support tuning in a higher rev limit on the earlier bikes.

in my experience, the upgrades that happen from one generation to the next from the manufacturer can pretty easily be replicated with a few simple mods to the earlier models….that holds so true that I sometimes wonder if manufacturers look at aftermarket offerings to see what’s most popular and effective when deciding what changes to make to new models. In Ducati’s case maybe a combo of what the race teams are doing and aftermarket suppliers.

higher rev limits programmed into newer bikes pretty much align with the tuning that’s become common on the previous models.

changed swingarm pivot point aligns with things like putting linear rear shock links on the older bikes and what some of the race teams have learned.

Short version, but a 2022 bike if you want a better ride off the shelf, mod your existing bike if you want a better ride with what you’ve got.

I get interested in newer models when they have an innovation that cannot be replicated with relatively simple mods to my existing bike.

By the time you buy one and sort it out, next year’s model is out.

I’ll happily keep a sorted out 2021 vs buying a bone stock 2022.

RickD996 said:

Swingarm pivot. That 4mm difference is where it's at!

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Hey Rick, you struggled a lot with the geometry of the R, when you use the same pivotheight as the 22, isn't that going to help you, or are there other issues?

rikkie07 said:

Hey Rick, you struggled a lot with the geometry of the R, when you use the same pivotheight as the 22, isn't that going to help you, or are there other issues?

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I used the +1 setting for quite a long time. When I went back to the -3 (stock setting), and changed my front and rear rode heights, I found a good spot!

SuperDomestique said:

You have confirmation that the internals are the same?

From the manuals, the 2022 over-revs at 15k whereas the 2021 over-revs at 12.5-13k (not sure what Performance ECU means). I think the hard limiter is at 15.5k on the 2022 and 14.5k on the 2021 (arrows where the the solid line starts). Additionally, the 2022 might have even more revs to work with as when you’re in Track Evo mode that solid line creeps to 16.5k.

I’ll get clarification when I take the bike in and talk to the SAM for the fork change.

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I don't understand why the red line starts at 15,5k rpm on the dash on the '22 (both in sport and race, 16,5k is only in the manual), the limiter kicks in at 14,5k in 1-5 gear, and supposedly 15k in 6th gear.
Here's a snapshot of DDA from my fourth track session with the bike, still getting used to it As the bike hits 14,5k it drops the revs approx. 200-250rpm.
This is in sports mode though, but I belive its the same in race also.The manual for the '22 says 14,5k/15k as max revs.

RickD996 said:

I used the +1 setting for quite a long time. When I went back to the -3 (stock setting), and changed my front and rear rode heights, I found a good spot!

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Sorry, i'm not that familiar with the R settings. Which number of setting equals the 2022 bike?

Sorry sorry so it looks like there’s nothing to see here when it comes to ramp increases.

Doesn't the Superleggera have the Race Evo dash mode, same as the 22?

I wonder if its the same dash from the SL, which has the 998 engine, put on a 2022 bike with a 1103 engine. Hence the differences in the tachometer. It seems like an Italian thing to do.

rikkie07 said:

Sorry, i'm not that familiar with the R settings. Which number of setting equals the 2022 bike?

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-3 is the same as the 22 bike.

bp_SFV4 said:

Doesn't the Superleggera have the Race Evo dash mode, same as the 22?

I wonder if its the same dash from the SL, which has the 998 engine, put on a 2022 bike with a 1103 engine. Hence the differences in the tachometer. It seems like an Italian thing to do.

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wouldn’t surprise me, there are a few bits and bobbins that they seemed to have pulled from the 25 Anniversario 916 parts bin for the bike too.

not a bad thing, just kinda funny

I'd think there would be a software update to fix it if it got high enough on the food chain, but I doubt it will. I doubt many people would even notice.