Akrapovic exhaust stain?

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Hello everyone.

Sold my 1199 few years ago :( looking to get back in the game. I’m looking to get a 1299s or R but I see some have this weird stain on the exhaust. Is that normal wear for these new pipes? Or dealers just being lazy not cleaning it well?



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I don’t .... w Akra but my guess is that the cans needed repacking and didn’t get it

The packing is what prevents the exterior from coming into direct contact with the hot gasses

I would be more concerned with how it leaks down tho

Beautiful thing about that bike is you really don’t even need a tester

Just pull the tank and look in the airbox : )
 
That is normal. It's the OEM Akra system. Mine did the same thing. I believe that is where the cats are positioned in the cans. It seems to be from the heat.
 
That is normal. It's the OEM Akra system. Mine did the same thing. I believe that is where the cats are positioned in the cans. It seems to be from the heat.

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They also cannot be “repacked”

I can open them up for you and also make them sound like a million bucks ;)
 
Just got them back today and they do sound quite a bit better for sure! The only down side for some people I might say would be the visible weld but there does not seem to be any way around it and I'm not really concerned about that. It definitely seems to flow quite a bit more and it was almost a 2.5 pound weight loss as well. Hopefully tomorrow I can take it out and start tuning it!
 
Just got them back today and they do sound quite a bit better for sure! The only down side for some people I might say would be the visible weld but there does not seem to be any way around it and I'm not really concerned about that. It definitely seems to flow quite a bit more and it was almost a 2.5 pound weight loss as well. Hopefully tomorrow I can take it out and start tuning it!

Do you have Pic? And who does this and how much does it cost? Thanks.


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I do have photos and can post them tonight when I get home. Phil on this forum does it. Drop him a line about the details. Turn around time was right at about 3 weeks including shipping from California to South Carolina and back. So far I'm pretty jazzed. Tuning wise, I am using the Woolich Racing Log Box with the wide band O2 sensors so I will just need to ride it to take advantage of the auto tune to dial in the AFR. I was thinking about doing a thread documenting the OEM exhaust systems journey from a choked up stock system to a free flowing system with out dropping $4K on it.
 
Phil option sounds like the way to go for anyone that does not have 2k for a van demon

Why Woolich call it auto tune when you have to go thru logs and adjust maps? If it is auto tune why can’t you just set a target? What all does the box do? Is it designed for those in bfe w no dyno access or?
 
So the box allows you to reflash the ECU. Providing you have the wide band O2 sensors installed it will store the AFR and the various fueling values for the IAP and TPS maps. The auto tune comes into play when to pull it up. It will adjust the map towards the desired AFR in the various cells that need to be adjusted. So you apply the suggested changes and re flash the ECU. It does the tuning work for you so you really don't have to analyze the map and go in and individually adjust the specific cells. The more you ride, the closer it gets to the desired AFR. The benefits of it is actual real world tuning with accurate pressurized air box given the actual speed you are riding vs a dyno and a fan. It does not adjust the fuel map as you ride. You can however go in a manually adjust it your self as well if you do have a dyno you can tune it in real time. It also adjusts each cylinder individually. Throw in the ETV adjustability (this is an area where tuners typically make big gains. It is interesting to see what the actual throttle application is, compared to how much you actually twist it. If you want to you can run a 1:1 throttle.), ignition timing adjustability and the ability to turn of the emissions crap, and flapper valve .... and its a pretty good set up. If I am able to get my hands on a super trick exhaust system then the set up will just start tuning that exhaust system and I wont have to buy anything else. (as long as it has the wide band O2 sensor bungs).

Now, the down side is in order to tune the higher RPM mapping you actually have to ride that fast which might be a challenge with out risking a pretty expensive ticket if you get stopped by the police.

Tune Boy looks like its also a good set up and has a cruse control option that might be handy for some. But to tune it you do have to have access to a dyno.

For me, the Woolich was the best option as it gives me the most versatile set up for future improvements and upgrades without having to buy more stuff.

Yeah I do think that Phil's ability to gut the OEM cans allowing it to breath quite a bit more is probably the best bang for the buck at almost 1/3 the cost of the Vandemon system. And I think the screens on the outlets looks super trick as well. The visible weld sort of gives it the "works" look and really is not that noticeable.
 
So this will replace the satined part and also gut the exhaust?

Thanks for your insights.


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I did not see any mention of being able to adjust ignition timing on their site?

IAP is what?

Do you know if the stock map sensors only read vacuum? What value do they use? Can they measure positive pressure or is zero vacuum it?

Lucky for me I live right off Newport Blvd. It turns into a freeway north of 19th. When the light turns green that freeway is wide open for 2 miles. Every single time. It’s not perfectly level you are climbing ever so slightly but it starts off at damn near sea level. Just have to check FlightTrader24 app beforehand to see where the HBPD chopper is : )
 
It does not do anything about the discoloration of the cans. I don’t think you can do much about that. Although someone out there might know of some way to treat the TI to get it back to its original color.
 
I'm not sure what the "I" stands for but I believe the "AP" part is atmospheric pressure.
I don't know anything about the stock O2 sensors other than they are narrow band sensors.
The Ignition timing tables are listed under "Other maps" in the menu on the Woolich program. I have not messed with that at all so I don't have any experience with them.
 
Ok. Thx

IAP map is the difference between manifold pressure and atmospheric pressure according to what he said on video

From what I understand the stock narrow band sensors are for low rpm only
 
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Yeah that was my understanding as well. You basically disable the OEM ones and would plug the Wideband O2 sensors into the Log Box.
 
Those look sweet Phil

Is there a tube going each direction and a 180° bend inside when you are thru with em or what does the inside look like?
 
So the box allows you to reflash the ECU. Providing you have the wide band O2 sensors installed it will store the AFR and the various fueling values for the IAP and TPS maps. The auto tune comes into play when to pull it up. It will adjust the map towards the desired AFR in the various cells that need to be adjusted. So you apply the suggested changes and re flash the ECU. It does the tuning work for you so you really don't have to analyze the map and go in and individually adjust the specific cells. The more you ride, the closer it gets to the desired AFR. The benefits of it is actual real world tuning with accurate pressurized air box given the actual speed you are riding vs a dyno and a fan. It does not adjust the fuel map as you ride. You can however go in a manually adjust it your self as well if you do have a dyno you can tune it in real time. It also adjusts each cylinder individually. Throw in the ETV adjustability (this is an area where tuners typically make big gains. It is interesting to see what the actual throttle application is, compared to how much you actually twist it. If you want to you can run a 1:1 throttle.), ignition timing adjustability and the ability to turn of the emissions crap, and flapper valve .... and its a pretty good set up. If I am able to get my hands on a super trick exhaust system then the set up will just start tuning that exhaust system and I wont have to buy anything else. (as long as it has the wide band O2 sensor bungs).

Now, the down side is in order to tune the higher RPM mapping you actually have to ride that fast which might be a challenge with out risking a pretty expensive ticket if you get stopped by the police.

Tune Boy looks like its also a good set up and has a cruse control option that might be handy for some. But to tune it you do have to have access to a dyno.

For me, the Woolich was the best option as it gives me the most versatile set up for future improvements and upgrades without having to buy more stuff.

Yeah I do think that Phil's ability to gut the OEM cans allowing it to breath quite a bit more is probably the best bang for the buck at almost 1/3 the cost of the Vandemon system. And I think the screens on the outlets looks super trick as well. The visible weld sort of gives it the "works" look and really is not that noticeable.

Hey. I have an awesome Map loaded in woolich map Share if your bike is a 1299. For a full AkR system .
Check it out .


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