Austin Racing Inconel Install - Part II

VAST said:

gnance do you pronounce classy klahhssy? you want to stir the pot for the sake of stirring it, no problem -- you've already been dealt with accordingly and again, i'm sure there are plenty here who will keep giving it right back to you.

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Oh I'm sorry I didn't know I was "dealt with".

I even PM'd this clown asking if he would cease fire.....

evidently you can't

Based on the fact that we've been arguing for months about a virtually irrelevant product (5.6% market share on here where it's certainly most known), I'm about ready to give in. Having sold a staggering dozens of units worldwide, I don't really see what there is left to discuss. It seems the product, owner, and sales data have probably spoken louder and more clearly than any forum member ever could.

VAST said:

we've exhausted all semblance of intelligent argument and discourse. we have presented myriad facts that incontrovertibly prove that Rich and his product and equally as vital his forum etiquette and customer service, more at lack thereof, are, in country simple terms, plain .....

if Rich aka burnsy wants to keep going, that's fine as we've established that there are no shortage of members here that will continue to bury him/them.

gnance do you pronounce classy klahhssy? you want to stir the pot for the sake of stirring it, no problem -- you've already been dealt with accordingly and again, i'm sure there are plenty here who will keep giving it right back to you.

Rich returns and return he will to peddle his junk and/or trash members he'll get the same treatment. it's over for AR here. that should be your takeaway. that and none of you will get a free ride to sell junk that will cause honest hardworking people misery, frustration and lost monies.

and those feigning interest to learn more about AR? go hit up AR's website and ask the proprietor, designer and pipe-bender par excellence directly.

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Interesting . I don't like the way AR handled them self on here at all but don't confuse a few like minded individuals as yourself to be making some sort of forum ruling here .
To suggest that someone has been dealt with and it's over for AR here . When the .... did that rule get made can I get a seat on the board ?
Forums hey .

just look at the stats -- i'm merely stating facts.

wilkson said:

Interesting . I don't like the way AR handled them self on here at all but don't confuse a few like minded individuals as yourself to be making some sort of forum ruling here .
To suggest that someone has been dealt with and it's over for AR here . When the .... did that rule get made can I get a seat on the board ?
Forums hey .

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you've been dealt with; you're just not bright enough to realize it.

gnance said:

Oh I'm sorry I didn't know I was "dealt with".

I even PM'd this clown asking if he would cease fire.....

evidently you can't

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VAST said:

just look at the stats -- i'm merely stating facts.

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There has been a lot of stat looking in this whole debacle . Let's stop looking at stats and analyzing every far kin thing and just get on with it .
AR's biggest mistake was insulting forum members we get that . His product has issues we get that as well how he fixes that time will tell .
He will either go broke or have global domination who the .... knows .
But arguing for the sake of arguing is now just boring .

if you were to go all the way back to the time when AR came here, you'd find that many of us, myself included, were very supportive and rooting for Rich to pull this off. just something to think about.

wilkson said:

There has been a lot of stat looking in this whole debacle . Let's stop looking at stats and analyzing every far kin thing and just get on with it .
AR's biggest mistake was insulting forum members we get that . His product has issues we get that as well how he fixes that time will tell .
He will either go broke or have global domination who the .... knows .
But arguing for the sake of arguing is now just boring .

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VAST said:

if you were to go all the way back to the time when AR came here, you'd find that many of us, myself included, were very supportive and rooting for Rich to pull this off. just something to think about.

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This has already been said dude . Let's go and find another target in this forum .
Thats always fun .

wilkson said:

This has already been said dude . Let's go and find another target in this forum .
Thats always fun .

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This is certainly an anomally, I cannot think of another battle. If Rich would stay off, I am sure this will die eventually. We are un-modded, and this stuff is bound to happen with these type a personalities. I am sure at a pub we would all get along, except right after meeting Burnsy, I'd punch him in the face and say "I'm good", lets have a beer! I'm sure someone else has done that before

Trauma said:

This is certainly an anomally, I cannot think of another battle. If Rich would stay off, I am sure this will die eventually. We are un-modded, and this stuff is bound to happen with these type a personalities. I am sure at a pub we would all get along, except right after meeting Burnsy, I'd punch him in the face and say "I'm good", lets have a beer! I'm sure someone else has done that before

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I can think of many epic battles over at Ducati Spot that were just like this . It ended up being a big stinking turd this will end the same .

I have no dog in this fight, other than I like this forum. But, this ........ needs to stop. This is now the 5th or 6th AR thread that reads the same after a page or two. It's like some grand ....... social experiment that goes into the ....... every time. Why people need to keep expressing the exact same opinion over and over because someone else posted something they don't like is beyond me. Personal attacks, unintelligible grammar, misspelled curse words! How the .... do you misspell a four-letter word? These threads are just maddening! The new information on AR is that there is no new information. Is it possible to show some self-restraint and stop posting threads on the AR pipe and stop repeating the exact same posts? I suppose not, but someone needs to step up here and just ignore. The impact of these insignificant threads are pushing otherwise good contributing members away.

Stw said:

Historically this has been the case.. and I agree... A well thought out response would have been awesome.... Even if in the end I didn't agree I would certainly respect the position taken by that person.. as it stands I have zero respect for Rich.. Burnsy and anyone else who resorts to mud slinging and not a well thought out narrative....

There have been no winners in the whole thing.. except perhaps the truth... and I think we are all diminished somewhat by this whole situation...

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I agree.
+100000

Actually I've been thinking this for the last couple of days

well i just said it, again. there are no other targets on this forum because everything's copacetic here save for AR. let's hope this is the last AR thread.

wilkson said:

This has already been said dude . Let's go and find another target in this forum .
Thats always fun .

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Trauma said:

This is certainly an anomally, I cannot think of another battle. If Rich would stay off, I am sure this will die eventually. We are un-modded, and this stuff is bound to happen with these type a personalities. I am sure at a pub we would all get along, except right after meeting Burnsy, I'd punch him in the face and say "I'm good", lets have a beer! I'm sure someone else has done that before

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If I may, i would like to add one more thing.

I am of the opinion that at the end of the day it would be possible to truly meet at the pub, and share a couple of drinks and sort this out in a fair and reasonable fashion.

However, someone who shall remain nameless has done more damage to this forum in so few posts, that it beggars belief.
It appears, for all intents and purposes to be trolling. Judging by his demeanour.

This individual (reading between the lines) is an AR fanboy due to the simple reason that AR is fitting a system to an 1199 R, presumably owned by himself.
The individual has IMO to date contributed ABSOLUTELY NOTHING POSITIVE in any post whatsoever.
This individual has been guilty of back stabbing someone who was mistakenly trying to be helpful, by running to Rich and telling tales (.... stirring). This act alone has directly resulted in serious damage to the relationship between the vendor and the most model customer any manufacturer could possibly wish for, ultimately back flowing (like .... up a sewer pipe) into the forum and propelling this matter in ever decreasing circles downward.

And this is the worst example of AR's business model, the fact that he implied to the model customer on a public forum that he ultimately may well not get his heat shield after all the work/money the customer had put into getting it to produce the claimed performance levels.

IMO AR has it's share of problems. The least of which is the (you're either with me or against me) attitude/belief system of the Promoter/Customer Service Representative.
Which caused the model customer to feel intimidated to the point where he felt as though he had to play a percentage game with the vendor.
I totally empathise with the model customer in this case. It must have been a very uneasy feeling having to deal with on that level.

Trauma, personally i'm inclined to think we may well have to flip a coin to see who will lay the first punch on this .... stiring mongrel:-(

Further, I still believe the product is good.
I do find the material interesting, but I suspect it needs to be thin walled to get the weight down. Therein lies the structural issue.
It just needs to be reengineered a bit to make it truely fit for service.
In terms of value for money after one factors in the extra costs/complexities associated with getting it all working on the dyno???????????
Then to top it all off one has to buy the heat shield separately, which should come standard with the system due to genuine safety reasons to prevent accidental burns.

Termi Slips rule baby

Cheers,
Termi fanboy

I also love the look and sound of the AR pipe, but after reading all of this I will hang back for a while, especially as I have a full Termignoni system and up map on my baby. I will have these Ceramic coated inside and out by Powerkote and see what happens.

I have already ordered a gloss Carbon Fiber fairing, clear race screen, Carbon Fiber fuel cap, clutch and brake levers and adjustment cable from AR and will tell you guys how it all turned out.

I will still be at least three months in Iraq before I am back home though so you all will have to wait for the review.

I'm happy to not post anymore on this pipe (unless it breaks again or I sell it) but we shouldn't censor helpful information from other members just because some people can't leave it alone.

I'm comfortable with the fact that I've been able to inform the purchase decision of numerous members as asked, some to buy, some not to buy but that's the point and reflects the pros and cons of the product and the decision making process.

Thanks gents and good night!

does anyone know whats the diameter of the AR tubes?

Wtf???????