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it not china because if they want to lower their price than it will be fine I take a china make ducati for a lower price, what they are doing is selling you cheap ducati for the same price.
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it not china because if they want to lower their price than it will be fine I take a china make ducati for a lower price, what they are doing is selling you cheap ducati for the same price.
Damn I'm dense. We talked about this exact thing at Daytona last week and I already forgot. If you start switching the Pani back and forth from street and track (like I'm going to do starting next month) then it would be worth buying another OEM exhaust to send to Phl for that booming sound.
I hope my Termi doesn't get me black flagged at Jennings!
switching between street and track is going to be a massive hassle and this bike is not set up for quick fairing changes.
Also are you going to reinstall all the lighting??
Regarding the DB sound i thought this bike was already pushing 104db with the stock exhaust.
I understand the point your making, but I don't really get it on the 1199, 899 and new Monster 1200. This bike is such a radical departure from anything they've ever made for the street before and incorporates a ton of technology and configuration never used by any other company. Ducati is a modern manufacturer and uses best practices for sourcing components for production, similar to the largest Japanese manufacturers.
The difference is that their volumes are very small in comparison. That innovative engineering and amortization of bespoke tooling and components is spread over a smaller number of unit sales. Therefore, their products are premium priced to stay profitable. The Monster 1200 uses the 11-degree Testastretta motor developed and used in the Multistrada and Diavel, so this is trying to save costs and uses a modern motor (with EU/US emissions-certification) that has nearly triple the valve service intervals of the last generation motor.
I think they deliver a tremendous product. I do wish their R&D and pre-production testing did a better job of finding the faults we encountered on 2012 machines, but that's a bit of an Italian tradition
. Otherwise, their products are unlike anything offered by anyone else, and I believe the motorcycling world is a better place for it.Have you ever been to the Smoky Mountains yet? Once you have, I would say a ton. For me, riding is my therapy from work/family/life stresses. Unless I'm at the track 1-2 times a month, I couldn't get enough riding in. I enjoy the Cafe Moto bike night at the Milk District, and even a quick blast around the I-4 cloverleafs around me mid-week is enough to keep me riding on the street.
Massive hassle is relative. If it take me 2-3 hours to switch back and forth (including re-installation of the lights), that's OK with me. With my present work schedule, I'll only get to do a track day once- or every other month.
I do miss how easy it was to change from street to full-track (no lights/kicksand/etc.) on my 2001 Aprilia Mille R. It only took me about 1 hour, and that was including changing exhausts!
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I understand the point your making, but I don't really get it on the 1199, 899 and new Monster 1200. This bike is such a radical departure from anything they've ever made for the street before and incorporates a ton of technology and configuration never used by any other company. Ducati is a modern manufacturer and uses best practices for sourcing components for production, similar to the largest Japanese manufacturers.
The difference is that their volumes are very small in comparison. That innovative engineering and amortization of bespoke tooling and components is spread over a smaller number of unit sales. Therefore, their products are premium priced to stay profitable. The Monster 1200 uses the 11-degree Testastretta motor developed and used in the Multistrada and Diavel, so this is trying to save costs and uses a modern motor (with EU/US emissions-certification) that has nearly triple the valve service intervals of the last generation motor.
I think they deliver a tremendous product. I do wish their R&D and pre-production testing did a better job of finding the faults we encountered on 2012 machines, but that's a bit of an Italian tradition
I believe that too what I don't like is the way the company is going remenber the 1199 the MTS1200 and the Monsters were produced before audi got involved it.
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in terms of quality, Termis don't even come close to Akros. The abysmal welding on the aftermarket termis and obscene is why I've never bought termis for any of my ducs.
The 1199 super has it for weight, that it. I have had a termis all my life not a problem, and for starters the exhaust is for racing not looks. I could care less if the weld look better in another exhaust. As for the gp bike that a whole other animal. If looks matter, personally I think the akr looks like crap and is overpriced on the super, I would rip it off sell it on put on a termi.
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termi pipes are no better in terms of performance than the equivalent akro pipes once they have access to the ecu fueling stuff.
The ONLY reason everyone's hot for termis is the name has long been established with ducati. I always get tickled when people say they don't care about the looks of a particular components. So ed21 your bike is bone stock with no cf or billet goodies?
I'm confused tho, the 1199, a more racing oriented bike has akro, the moto gp does too, seems like racing to me. Aside from the poser value have you ever looked at side by side comparo of the two pipes. I've no doubt the ducati akros will perform as well as termis.
The ONLY reason everyone's hot for termis is the name has long been established with ducati. I always get tickled when people say they don't care about the looks of a particular components. So ed21 your bike is bone stock with no cf or billet goodies?
I'm confused tho, the 1199, a more racing oriented bike has akro, the moto gp does too, seems like racing to me. Aside from the poser value have you ever looked at side by side comparo of the two pipes. I've no doubt the ducati akros will perform as well as termis.
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What exactly is wrong with the look of the Akra silencers? The way I see it they're considerably more subtle than the Termis. I'm not a huge fan of "look at me" branding like the giant logos Termi puts on their silencers compared to the relatively small laser etching Akra puts on the 1199/HP4 silencers.
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Akra doesn't have a gazillion variety of pipes like termi does. If you compare the closest like for like scenario, akra has better performance figures all around, most importantly a noticeably better mid range than the termi. Even if someone can't stand akrapovic as a company, only a blind fool would say they look like crap. Hell, I'd accept they perform like .... over someone saying they look like crap. Build quality is by far the nicest thing on a Panigale. No exhaust is close.
I was always a fan of the termi sound on past Ducati's but not on the Panigale. It sounds far too similar to a stock Panigale inmost of the rev range.
I was always a fan of the termi sound on past Ducati's but not on the Panigale. It sounds far too similar to a stock Panigale inmost of the rev range.
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Full termi exhaust 3419.00 at pure-ducati. I just bought full akra 3500$. everyone seems to argue the price difference... 81$. buy what you like.
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A quality product deserves quality welds.
Frankly at this price point it demands it. So unless or until Termi improves their quality, I would prefer the Akra.
Frankly at this price point it demands it. So unless or until Termi improves their quality, I would prefer the Akra.
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Pure-ducati.com has full termi exhaust under 3500$ Motomummy.com has akra full exhaust at 3500$. I just bought the last akra they had left in stock though. will be a few weeks till they get some more. You might try "Jarelj" on this site and see if he is still giving akra at 3500$ They were a few days ago but now I don't see it on the site anymore. Word is.. Akra raising price so retailers will be raising according to a supplier I use at shifttech.com.
I purchased the Akra from Motomummy 2 weeks ago.. After research, I realized that the price of the exhaust could go up once Spring hits and demand starts to increase... It still will be a few weeks before the shop switches out the exhaust and start tuning the bike. I will post the difference between the two once complete.....
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I'm glad I snatched the last one he had. i'm sure with his restock the price will increase as you said. 3500$ is a steal. Wish i knew someone else who has an 899 with akra. i want to see the gains for my bike without having to dyno my own bike lol.
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