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nick1199

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Hey guys,

anyone else have trouble finding Neutral when the engine is cold. I should say that it doesn't want to go into N at all when engine is cold. Sometimes the display flickers between N and 2. But it's fine when the engine is warm/hot.

bit of a pain the ass. software? fixable?
 
A Ducati is like a woman...you have to get them both hot and well lubricated before you ride them:D
 
How many kms have you done? I'm having the same problem so turned the DQS off to utilize the clutch whilst being run in thinkin this would fix it but after 450 kms it's no better. I doubt updated software will fix it, this is a mechanical issue.

It's a pain in the ass, hopefully my dealer can fix it when it goes in for its first service. Let me know if you manage to solve the problem in the mean time.
 
Hamish said:
How many kms have you done? I'm having the same problem so turned the DQS off to utilize the clutch whilst being run in thinkin this would fix it but after 450 kms it's no better. I doubt updated software will fix it, this is a mechanical issue.

It's a pain in the ass, hopefully my dealer can fix it when it goes in for its first service. Let me know if you manage to solve the problem in the mean time.
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Yeah ok will do.
 
nick1199 said:
Hey guys,

anyone else have trouble finding Neutral when the engine is cold. I should say that it doesn't want to go into N at all when engine is cold. Sometimes the display flickers between N and 2. But it's fine when the engine is warm/hot.

bit of a pain the ass. software? fixable?
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Nick
It needs a recalibration of the qs program. Its happenned to my bike a couple of times and caused me problems starting it last time out. Does not seem to occur when hot. I spoke to techs about it and they said it has happenned to one other as well.

They are re doing the calibration on mine at first service in a few weeks when I get the Upgrade Kit installed.

cheers
 
Quick additional question instead of a separate header.....

Have any of you had DQS issues from 5th to 6th ?? Mine seems to kick into N often when using the DQS from 5th.... all others gears seems to be no issue at all......

Feedback any one or anyone with the same experience ?
 
D1199 said:
Quick additional question instead of a separate header.....

Have any of you had DQS issues from 5th to 6th ?? Mine seems to kick into N often when using the DQS from 5th.... all others gears seems to be no issue at all......

Feedback any one or anyone with the same experience ?
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If you're hard on the throttle and over 6-7k rpm on that shift, you're going to be hauling ass.
I usually don't use it on that shift. Had one missed and bounced the limiter.

EDIT: Just realised you're in Germany. Scratch the above from the record and carry-on. :)
j
 
I get a few false neutrals if using the DQS at low revs and soft shifting. You need to be under power and up the revs.
 
I also have the same issue with funding neutral when the engine is cold. I have 3000 miles and have had my clutch bled and slave cylinder changed but still the same. I think it has to do with the wet clutch only working properly when the oil is not.

I also occasionally get a false neutral between 4 and 5 when using the DQS. Checked it and seems that there is gap between the higher gears such that if you try while the pick is stopped you can find a false neutral between the higher gears, not possible in the lower ones. A mechanical issue I think resolved by more assertive shifting and DQS use at higher RPM. The only thing I worry about is when you crunch back into gear after a missed shift.
 
Finding natural is almost imposable on all of their bikes until temps are up in normal operating range. Even at that it is sometimes a little tricky but you get used to it.

Once you and the bike have some more time together all will be great. Just don't expect much from her until she gets hot!
 
D1199 said:
Quick additional question instead of a separate header.....

Have any of you had DQS issues from 5th to 6th ?? Mine seems to kick into N often when using the DQS from 5th.... all others gears seems to be no issue at all......

Feedback any one or anyone with the same experience ?
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I've had this. Apparently there is nothing mechanically wrong with the bike. As the gentleman already said, more assertive shifting required. I did wonder if this is to do with the gear box set up because as you travel up the gears it feels like the throw on the clutch lever seems to increase marginally with each gear, or is it just me?
 
If the bike doesn't have many miles on it yet, you might find that everything is fine after you get it more broken in. Every year when we get our new fleet of demo bikes, there are always several that are hard to get into neutral when they're new, but after a couple hundred miles we never seem to have that issue any longer. It's also worth checking to see if you have a bubble in the clutch master cylinder, that's very common, and Brembo has provided a nice little bleeder screw right at the top of the clutch master to "burp" out the bubble. I do it after every track day, and I always get a little air out. If the initial clutch lever travel seem "dead" or spongy, 99% chance you have a bubble in the master.
 
Sloopy said:
Finding natural is almost imposable on all of their bikes until temps are up in normal operating range. Even at that it is sometimes a little tricky but you get used to it.

Once you and the bike have some more time together all will be great. Just don't expect much from her until she gets hot!
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I've rarely ever had an issue finding Neutral on my bike, even when cold. After 27K miles the transmission, I'm happy to say, is ....... as great as ever (in my experience the transmission is the first thing on a bike that goes to .... with high miles, so good job Ducati).

My first guess is whatever oil is in your crankcase is a higher viscosity than it should be.

Second, your shift lever might be adjusted a bit too high. If it's parallel with the ground, lower it.

Third: the display flickering between N and 2 means the shift sensor is jacked and either needs to be replaced or reset. The sensor itself wouldn't make it hard to find Neutral, so this may be a completely unrelated problem, but you should get it taken care of as soon as you can, as the ECU does different things depending on what gear it thinks the bike is in.
 
First 2000kms I had a few issues getting neutral especially before the first service, now its becoming rarely and you need to let the bike warm up a little. Before I went to twins hardly used to have to warm the bikebut this beast is diff erent but I don't mind cos I reckon it sounds awesome idling for a few mins :) I wouldn't stress over it, def gets betteras the motor wears in
 
D1199 said:
Quick additional question instead of a separate header.....

Have any of you had DQS issues from 5th to 6th ?? Mine seems to kick into N often when using the DQS from 5th.... all others gears seems to be no issue at all......

Feedback any one or anyone with the same experience ?
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mine does it from 4-5 when im not full throttle, sometimes...
 
The first 200 miles for me was impossible to find neutral when it was cold. At 1800 miles now, no issues now, hot or cold.
 

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