CE Standards..I did not know this...

Holy hell. I believed CE Certified was all parts were CE Rated, When only CE Approved is. Time to check my armor now. Thanks Steve. Bookmarking that page.

The current issue of Motorrad tests 20 protective jeans, including abrasion resistance, and most fared quite well.

This actually doesn't surprise me at all. Some of the larger companies have specifically stated "CE Approved Armor", which I always took to mean just the parts they were talking about had been tested. The ones that specifically said the whole suit was approved are pretty rare.

Thanks. Gonna go check all this high-end Dainese gear I just bought lol.

Sergio1199Panigale said:

Thanks. Gonna go check all this high-end Dainese gear I just bought lol.

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I think that was the big change with the new ones being C2 certified. Used to be only a few suits that had that. Gimoto was one, and I think there was a particular Spidi suit that was CE certified a few years ago.

It's not the end all, be all though. RS Taichi suits aren't certified outside of their armor, although they are rated to Japanese standards. I suspect they simply can't be bothered to deal with the tests, but you won't find anyone questioning their safety and quality.

Looks like A* is the only company to not only have the only CE Approved LVL 1 Suit and Jacket but the only one to have CE Approved LVL 2 Suit and Jacket. The ATEM.

Alpinestars' Atem Might Be the Safest Motorcycle Jacket You Can Buy

Be me. Was wearing atem suit. Crashed into a culvert at 80 ish kph. Broke neck of femur due to impact on leg being transferred upwards. No other scratches. Not even a rash. That suit is awesome. Bought another one right away while still on crutches. 10/10 would buy again if have to!

b9009b said:

Looks like A* is the only company to not only have the only CE Approved LVL 1 Suit and Jacket but the only one to have CE Approved LVL 2 Suit and Jacket. The ATEM.

Alpinestars' Atem Might Be the Safest Motorcycle Jacket You Can Buy

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One of the reasons is the straps the jacket comes with to hold it down at the waist so it does not ride up your back and allow gravel rash.

bradp51 said:

One of the reasons is the straps the jacket comes with to hold it down at the waist so it does not ride up your back and allow gravel rash.

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I'm lost as to how the GP Pro 1 and Race Replica doesn't have some of the features that make the ATEM CE App LVL 2 considering they cost $300-600 more.



Thanks for the info Marmoot.

Beats me--but I've also tested an Atem suit in an 80 mph crash at the track--me rolling down the track about 75 feet--not a scratch. I did break my collarbone from the impact on my shoulder when I first fell.

Suit had only minor damage.

Steve

Another good read.

Alpinestars Racing Suit Collection - Riders Discount

b9009b said:

I'm lost as to how the GP Pro 1 and Race Replica doesn't have some of the features that make the ATEM CE App LVL 2 considering they cost $300-600 more.



Thanks for the info Marmoot.

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I don't know specifically, but I can offer the following thoguhts on it;

1) It's a standardized test, for an event that's anything but standardized. Meaning there can be instances where real life circumstances can't be measured properly in a test, and sacrifices are made in one area for the good of another. If you pay attention to Moto GP suits, they frequently have all kinds of data recording sensors on them. Going further, one thing I don't like about some of the helmet standards is that the tests only measure impact at specific points, it's easy for the manufacture to simply design the helmet to pass those tests at the expense of integrity in other areas so they can slap a sticker on it.

2) They have to pay for the certification, and it's not cheap. Likely not worth it for the high end models given the amount of sales they generate. It's been said that the reason Dainese doesn't make their "supersuits" anymore (Bora, Sukhoi and T-Age) was that there was no way to make much profit on them given the amount of sales. As I mentioned before, RS-Taichi suits are considered some of the finest you can get your hands on, but don't have any sort of certifications on them besides the Japanese standard (which admittedly is incredibly high). There are a couple other high end brands that are similar to this. Gimoto only labels one of their suits as CE2 certified, yet you seldom see that model used by it's sponsored riders in Moto 2 and Moto GP. I asked their USA office about this and was told that the other models are equally as protective and more comfortable but they weren't going to seek the designation on all of them due to the boutique nature of their business.

I personally have an Alpinestars Race Replica and don't think Alpinestars cut any corners in charging double for it than they do for the Atem. But I'm not a suit technician and didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Shaka I was just pointing out that A* has that on it. Taichi is on another lvl with the Jap. Standard. But I can get an A* suit alot cheaper than the same lvl taichi.

Oh I totally understand that. What I was really addressing was your comment that the more expensive suits from Alpinestars don't have the same level of features as the Atem. I am merely saying I don't think that is the case, they likely are safer, just don't have the certification. Not that the Atem is not a ridiculously badass suit.

I became an Alpinestars believer when I had a fairly high speed off at NJMP and the suit was barely just scuffed up. I had another high speed off at NJMP but this time in my MotoGP suit and both shoulders were ripped through to the armor. I realize every crash is different but when I saw how badly the MotoGP suit fared - it sapped my confidence in buying a replacement. This sport is all about confidence and I didn't need in my head while riding, "will this suit totally fail next time"!

Yeah, those Moto GP suits definitely earned a tissue paper reputation. Strange because they were made by Berik, which are decent suits in Europe.

shakazulu12 said:

Oh I totally understand that. What I was really addressing was your comment that the more expensive suits from Alipinestars don't have the same level of features as the Atem. I am merely saying I don't think that is the case, they likely are safer, just don't have the certification. Not that the Atem is not a ridiculously badass suit.

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Yeah and with no certification they wont even say if the suit is tougher or safer than their lower model that is ce app. that makes me wonder too much to buy it lol

shakazulu12 said:

Yeah, those Moto GP suits definitely earned a tissue paper reputation. Strange because they were made by Berik, which are decent suits in Europe.

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Yeah, I wasn't a happy customer!

Like I said, it's likely not worth it for them to seek a third party approval for what they already know. Inspect them side by side and you will see the differences, but we are talking about a 1299s, vs an R, vs an SL. It's not like you are really undergunned either way.

I'm looking into the Dainese D-Air suit from Europe and it has no certifications whatsoever, even though the technical specs from some of it's tests show it blows the ratings out of the water. For whatever reason, Dainese didn't bother with any CE approvals.