Difference on track between supercorsa SP and SC?

Is there much noticeable difference on track between a supercorsa SC and the SP version? I assume the SP will last longer, but was wondering if I'd notice any difference in grip?

Great question this I want to know also..

Sc is made only for track... Sp both...

danilobandeira said:

Sc is made only for track... Sp both...

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This is not entirely true, as the sc is still a road legal tire, nevertheless, this doesn't answer my question. I'm wondering if there is much of a difference performance wise and wear wise. I've read the SC is a track tire that can do road and the SP a road tire that does track...

This is one of those "if you have to ask, then no" type of questions IMHO. Not enough information given about your current skill level and needs. SC's will have a lot more grip, but if you are 30 seconds off the pace of the fast guys, it won't matter.

shakazulu12 said:

This is one of those "if you have to ask, then no" type of questions IMHO. Not enough information given about your current skill level and needs. SC's will have a lot more grip, but if you are 30 seconds off the pace of the fast guys, it won't matter.

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I rode lightning recently and my fast laps were 1:16s. Was told experts do about 1:09s.

datkin128 said:

Is there much noticeable difference on track between a supercorsa SC and the SP version? I assume the SP will last longer, but was wondering if I'd notice any difference in grip?

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I went from the OEM tyres to SC1 front and rear and I thought the difference was night and day.

I used both on track and road.

When heated up and the track condition is warm, SC1 (front) and SC2 (rear) that I used give great grip, particularly when leant over, and consistency.
The consistency is the one that struck me the most, with SP, brand new I can run 1:12 lap times (that's 4 seconds behind race superbike) if I push hard, but it will degrade to 1:14 ish when the tyres are half worn. With the SC I can run still 1:12 laps comfortably even after 3 trackdays (normally 5 x 15 minutes sessions each).
They are more sensitive to pressure and temperature, but it is worth it.
The grip is like the best road-legal tyres I've ever used, although the SP is not bad either. The edge grip is definitely better than the SP. If you push the SP hard and start to feel you're on the limit, you'll definitely appreciate the SC.

They actually last more trackdays than the SP that I used. On the road, you'll wear them a bit more than SP, maybe because they don't heat up as much.

Without warmers, they take a bit longer to get to operating temperature than the SP. I normally get confident within 2 laps with the SP, but with the SC I actually need two more laps.
Recently I started using warmers and they are good from the get go. Super awesome!

On the road, they feel just the same in the warm weather. But the SP feels a lot better when it is cold (winter here...).

In the wet, SP is miles better. Running SC in the wet scares me a lot! I actually binned last november when it suddenly rained on me, while pottling along trying to get back to the pit.

Recently I've been trying Pirelli Superbike Slicks SC1/2. Now, that's a whole other story that I will save for next time ;-)

Recently I've been trying Pirelli Superbike Slicks SC1/2. Now, that's a whole other story that I will save for next time ;-)

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Are you running the 200/60/17? Wondering if the profile difference from a 55 was enough to necessitate a geometry change? Id also like to hear your impression of that rear.

Marmoot said:

I used both on track and road.

When heated up and the track condition is warm, SC1 (front) and SC2 (rear) that I used give great grip, particularly when leant over, and consistency.
The consistency is the one that struck me the most, with SP, brand new I can run 1:12 lap times (that's 4 seconds behind race superbike) if I push hard, but it will degrade to 1:14 ish when the tyres are half worn. With the SC I can run still 1:12 laps comfortably even after 3 trackdays (normally 5 x 15 minutes sessions each).
They are more sensitive to pressure and temperature, but it is worth it.
The grip is like the best road-legal tyres I've ever used, although the SP is not bad either. The edge grip is definitely better than the SP. If you push the SP hard and start to feel you're on the limit, you'll definitely appreciate the SC.

They actually last more trackdays than the SP that I used. On the road, you'll wear them a bit more than SP, maybe because they don't heat up as much.

Without warmers, they take a bit longer to get to operating temperature than the SP. I normally get confident within 2 laps with the SP, but with the SC I actually need two more laps.
Recently I started using warmers and they are good from the get go. Super awesome!

On the road, they feel just the same in the warm weather. But the SP feels a lot better when it is cold (winter here...).

In the wet, SP is miles better. Running SC in the wet scares me a lot! I actually binned last november when it suddenly rained on me, while pottling along trying to get back to the pit.

Recently I've been trying Pirelli Superbike Slicks SC1/2. Now, that's a whole other story that I will save for next time ;-)

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This is really helpful information!!

Badlarry said:

Are you running the 200/60/17? Wondering if the profile difference from a 55 was enough to necessitate a geometry change? Id also like to hear your impression of that rear.

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Yes, 200/60 rear for the slick. It does change the geometry, and it actually makes the turn in quicker. But I have to compensate by reducing rear rebound (increase rebound damping) by 1-2 clicks to make it more stable through the turn. Otherwise, the bike moves quite a bit.
Once that's done, it felt much better than the 1199 I knew.
I think it results in raised rear height, "more correct" steering head angle, and "more correct" swingarm angle, all closer to the 1199R or 899 geometry. Maybe...

Also, taller tyres = bigger rolling diameter = give better speed at the same RPM, both straight up and when leaned. When I went with how the bike felt (ie going at the same rpm), braking takes a bit of recalibration. But it becomes a lot easier to get faster laptimes (duh!!)

It felt a bit awkward first time when riding around the pit. Felt like the bike is very tall and I am not sure what it was doing. But within one lap I got into it and was enjoying it so much. Now i wished I could get SP/SC in 200/60 size

Interestingly, after four trackdays on the superbike slicks, I am still at 1:12.03 personal best compared to 1:12.30 on the SC1/2 supercorsa. It is not automatic laprecord breaker, but I felt comfortable at 1:12 whereas with the supercorsa SC I felt quick at 1:12., and with the SP I felt huge satisfying rush of adrenaline at 1:12 (and the knowledge I am not likely able to do 1:12 if the tyres have done more than 2 trackdays).
So, there you go, all three tyres are super capable. But there is definitely an incremental increase in the capability.

And the other way around, if the track/road is very cold and damp, I'd be ok with SP, scared shitless with SC, and would just wait for tow truck outright with the slicks.

Thanks for that insight!

It felt a bit awkward first time when riding around the pit. Felt like the bike is very tall and I am not sure what it was doing. But within one lap I got into it and was enjoying it so much. Now i wished I could get SP/SC in 200/60 size

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You arent the only one!! I so hope pirelli is going to offer a 60 in the SP!! It only stands to reason if their graduating from a 190/55 when they went 200 they should have offered the 60.. I'm all about that turn in and side of the tire feel..

Marmoot which 1199 do you have? Base/S/R?

So If I run 1:17's to 1:18's on he same track as datkin would it be worthwhile to change to SC1's or 2's from SP's?

1199S 2012 with re-sprung shock and forks to fit my weight (although I suspect the front is a bit undersprung).
If you run your bike mostly on the track and within medium group, it is worth giving the SC a try.
If you're running in fast group, you should definitely seriously think of switching to SC.
Have a look at some of my videos on 1199s.wordpress.com to see my pace.
Not the fastest, but not too slow either.

I've ridden the SC2s at a few tracks on both the S and the R and there's a noticeable difference in grip. The amount of braking you can get away (right down to the point where your knee hits the ground) is insane (granted, I've never run slicks). I also put several thousand street miles (some in miserable conditions) on the SC2 and found little difference in wear, cold-weather, wet-weather, or cold-tire performance. In my opinion, the SC2 is definitely the better tire for street and track.

Breakaway characteristics are also better with the SC2....

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I've ridden the SC2s at a few tracks on both the S and the R and there's a noticeable difference in grip. The amount of braking you can get away (right down to the point where your knee hits the ground) is insane (granted, I've never run slicks). I also put several thousand street miles (some in miserable conditions) on the SC2 and found little difference in wear, cold-weather, wet-weather, or cold-tire performance. In my opinion, the SC2 is definitely the better tire for street and track.

Breakaway characteristics are also better with the SC2....

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Your hot pressure on track with SC2?

I would like to try the SC2s. I may have to finally break down and purchase tire warmers.

After 40 minutes cooked in good warmers, before first session, 25-29 front 24-26 rear for SC1/2 combo. For slicks, I run 29-32 front 24-26 rear. Low end if it is cold, upper end if it is warm/hot. Reduce by 1-2 psi if you failed to steal your friends' warmers without them noticing.
I'm not saying it's perfect or I'm smart, but so far they have produced good wear pattern and not much cold tear if any.
Ambient temperature here is typically between 10C (winter) to 25C (summer).
Haven't tried them in the snow yet.

Again, SC1/2 treaded supercorsas are ok wihout warmers, but do give them 3-4 laps of hard accellerations and slow careful corners to warm them up while keeping you upright. Otherwise, you'll end up on the floor or they will get cold tear if pushed prematurely.

I run 29 front /25 - 26 rear in the SP. I do get the raised leading edge of the tread even after reducing my rebound. But, they stick like glue. The wife bought me the Mantis tire temp sensors but I am not sure that I am keeping them yet.

Don't run SCs on the street, they WILL bite you. They are race compound, suck when could, but worse is that every time you use them they heat cycle. At some point these heat cycles will change the chemistry and they will get hard and slick. They also suck in the wet. The SP has a high silica content, giving good wet grip, sc doesn't. The grip of the SC is leaps and bounds above any street tire, and among the best race tires. The slick is the same. I use the slick and love it. Use warders on either, mainly to limit the heat cycles. Get them on the tires fast after pulling off. 32front 24rear hot off the Warner's works good. Want a good deal on these tires and with it racer quality advice about the tires and setup to make them work? Reach out to Mike Faillace at Metric Devil Moto and tell him I sent you. He is the northeast Pirelli race tire rep