Dqs

FrostyFire said:

Russia is pretty free of intelligence when it comes to those sorts of things. Watch any youtube video of how those idiots drive in that country. Future road crayon.

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(Think you're probably right Frosty.....crazy Russians!)

dave said:

Back to the DQS issue though, I've never had one but I'd imagine that if it's only designed to work perfectly on full(ish) throttle and near the rev limiter then it makes testing that theory a little worrying....I wouldn't really want to hit a false neutral with the throttle wide open 500 revs from the red line....

Who's gonna be first to try?? Anyone getting close to finishing their running-in?

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You can at least rely on the rev limiter..........i hope

I'm sure you're right........um, give it a go and let us know how you get on

dave said:

Back to the DQS issue though, I've never had one but I'd imagine that if it's only designed to work perfectly on full(ish) throttle and near the rev limiter then it makes testing that theory a little worrying....I wouldn't really want to hit a false neutral with the throttle wide open 500 revs from the red line....

Who's gonna be first to try?? Anyone getting close to finishing their running-in?

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ok, too many people are misinformed and it's getting annoying

First of, you dont have to be nowhere near redline to use the QS...you can be cruising along the hwy and up shift properly without clutch as long as you're increasing in speed/rpm

examply, you just got on the hwy and getting up to HWY speed (not riding aggressive) using DQS thru all your gears without harming your gearbox 2, 3, 4, 5...say you're at you're desired speed in 5th (65 mph/ 104 kpm) and want to go to 6th for whatever reason (better fuel consumption maybe) ..in this case I would advise you to using the clutch, tho you dont have to. Worst could happen is a rought shift, it's not gonna like jump to 2nd and throw you off the damn bike lol.

And lastly, its impossible to find a false neutral between any gear but 1st and 2nd !!!! So unless people are discribing their issue incorrectly, no way you get a false neutral between 4th and 5th.

If you often end up between gears then YOU NEED TO ADJUST YOUR SHIFT LEVER SO YOU EFFORTLESSLY KICK LEVER THROUGH IT'S FULL STROKE TO ENGAGE YOUR GEARS !!!

I found the 1198 DQS superb and many say the 1199 is even better so, i'd say the problem is YOU ;-)

DUCENZO said:

ok, too many people are misinformed and it's getting annoying

First of, you dont have to be nowhere near redline to use the QS...you can be cruising along the hwy and up shift properly without clutch as long as you're increasing in speed/rpm

examply, you just got on the hwy and getting up to HWY speed (not riding aggressive) using DQS thru all your gears without harming your gearbox 2, 3, 4, 5...say you're at you're desired speed in 5th (65 mph/ 104 kpm) and want to go to 6th for whatever reason (better fuel consumption maybe) ..in this case I would advise you to using the clutch, tho you dont have to. Worst could happen is a rought shift, it's not gonna like jump to 2nd and throw you off the damn bike lol.

And lastly, its impossible to find a false neutral between any gear but 1st and 2nd !!!! So unless people are discribing their issue incorrectly, no way you get a false neutral between 4th and 5th.

If you often end up between gears then YOU NEED TO ADJUST YOUR SHIFT LEVER SO YOU EFFORTLESSLY KICK LEVER THROUGH IT'S FULL STROKE TO ENGAGE YOUR GEARS !!!

I found the 1198 DQS superb and many say the 1199 is even better so, i'd say the problem is YOU ;-)

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sorry but this is just BS end

I thought this was worth re-stating.

"The Ducati Quick Shift (DQS) is the electronic system that manages the gearbox and is used in competitions. It allows the gear to be engaged on acceleration without the use of the clutch and while maintaining the throttle open. The feature enables the rider to gain precious fractions of seconds, helping to considerably reduce lap times."

bwaide said:

I thought this was worth re-stating.

"The Ducati Quick Shift (DQS) is the electronic system that manages the gearbox and is used in competitions. It allows the gear to be engaged on acceleration without the use of the clutch and while maintaining the throttle open. The feature enables the rider to gain precious fractions of seconds, helping to considerably reduce lap times."

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nothing against you bwaid, just wanna make it clear that "MAINTAINING THE THROTTLE OPEN" doesn't mean redline or even riding aggressively ;-)

it simply means increasing speed/ rpm.....agreed? and tho its possible to do it while cruising around town, they dont recomend it (wasnt designed for that) it wouldnt be smooth shifts and you'd be slowly damaging your gearbox.

cheers

DUCENZO said:

nothing against you bwaid, just wanna make it clear that "MAINTAINING THE THROTTLE OPEN" doesn't mean redline or even riding aggressively ;-)

it simply means increasing speed/ rpm.....agreed? and tho its possible to do it while cruising around town, they dont recomend it (wasnt designed for that) it wouldnt be smooth shifts and you'd be slowly damaging your gearbox.

cheers

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I agree to an extent...if people feel the need to use DQS daily they need to put their purse down when they shift. I think it's a combination of lazy feet and maintaining a lackadaisical pace of acceleration that's causing the issues. Granted, I'll know more in May when I get my hands on mine, but I'm getting the impression the core purpose of a quickshifter is lost on a few.

Unless I'm missing something the question that started this thread off, was targeted at people with actual experience of this bike, this gearbox and this quick shifter. Not hypothetical causes for the problem (which does exist on at least two owners bikes here).

I suggest the armchair experts wait for their bikes to arrive in the flesh, or for forza to include a lifelike version of the bike so they can experience it on their Xbox in the comfort of said armchair.

The OP might have a real problem, perhaps the timing of the ignition retard is set too quick. I know from "experience" with my current bike and my DynoJet QS that if i set the kill time to anything less than 100 ms that i short shift alot more often. At those speeds you pretty much have to push the shifter through the entire stroke of the lever to get it in gear.

Something anyone who uses QS can tell you is that you can inadvertantly cause the ignition retard to happen if you accidentally hit the lever with your toe and you wont shift. It is all dependent on how the switch is made, if its a contact switch like most QS systems then as soon as the lever is moved even a little bit, it activates the ignition retard. From the second that switch is pressed you have however long the ignition retard is set for to make up the rest of the travel of the lever to switch gears. If its too fast you miss shift or hit the neutral out of 1st.

So if the setting is too fast for someone then yeah they are gonna be seeing alot of bad shifts...its not necessarily the bike's fault, but it will take some getting used to. As for people who have been using race/track oriented QS systems it may be second nature to shift well on the Duc. I prefer being able to set my timing myself and will likely spring for an aftermarket setup as soon as one is available. I have big feet and am a little slower on the upshifts than i would like and have my current QS set at 110ms anything less is more likely to result in missed shifts.

My 2 cents on the whole QS issue.

any updates on this DQS issue of N between 4 and 5th?

was getting on the highway in race throttling very aggressively keeping it under 6000 for each shift as I'm still under 1000km during run in...and bammo quick shift from 4 to 5th...it revs insane, loss of power look down it's in N.....nearly cr@pped my pants

QS at anytime as long as the engine is accelerating.

Have noticed a pretty big 'stutter' double backfire if I don't change right at low speed? Or at least I hope it's just my lazy shifts.

WTF Over?

DUCENZO said:

ok, too many people are misinformed and it's getting annoying

First of, you dont have to be nowhere near redline to use the QS...you can be cruising along the hwy and up shift properly without clutch as long as you're increasing in speed/rpm

examply, you just got on the hwy and getting up to HWY speed (not riding aggressive) using DQS thru all your gears without harming your gearbox 2, 3, 4, 5...say you're at you're desired speed in 5th (65 mph/ 104 kpm) and want to go to 6th for whatever reason (better fuel consumption maybe) ..in this case I would advise you to using the clutch, tho you dont have to. Worst could happen is a rought shift, it's not gonna like jump to 2nd and throw you off the damn bike lol.

And lastly, its impossible to find a false neutral between any gear but 1st and 2nd !!!! So unless people are discribing their issue incorrectly, no way you get a false neutral between 4th and 5th.

If you often end up between gears then YOU NEED TO ADJUST YOUR SHIFT LEVER SO YOU EFFORTLESSLY KICK LEVER THROUGH IT'S FULL STROKE TO ENGAGE YOUR GEARS !!!

I found the 1198 DQS superb and many say the 1199 is even better so, i'd say the problem is YOU ;-)

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This thread is DEF not BS, it's just a completely misunderstood, and obviously misused feature of this fantastic bike. True-the DQS was built to assist the rider in time on track during hardcore acceleration so that no time is spent using the clutch, leaving them to stay wide open on the gas. However, not everyone is going to be heading out to the track, actually racing in competition, and in need of precious mili seconds for this. The DQS feature is there on your bike TO FRIGGING USE ! You do not need to be wide open / full throttle to use this, dont need to be at redline or anywhere near the damn thing, and don't need to be on the track foremost!

If you are tolling along at 40, 50, 60, or even 90 mph you should use the frigging feature for all it's worth gents (and ladies) the damn throttle DOES NOT need to be wide open, simply open enough for the electronic component to understand the bike is entering the next gear upward. ...., I often did this on my old Ducati that did not even have a DQS mechanism! When a bike reaches a certain rpm level with gentle force applied upward (or downward in GP shifting) the bike will simply go into that next gear easily. The DQS just gives the transmission "easier access" to the next gear without having to use the clutch! I dont know what is so hard to understand about this. As I stated in many other threads of such nature, it is just another awesome function of this bike which SHOULD be used without even thinking you are going to "Harm" anything in the process. A few slow speed upshifts without being on throttle, even at 20 mph, are not going to harm a damn thing! There is NO NEED to turn it off or use your clutch for EVERY shift in the world! USE DQS!!!

If YOU as the rider are not comfortable with this issue, then dont use it. If you dont like raising the front end of your bike during roll on power wheelies-turn the DTC up to a high number, if you love the engine braking feel and sound-turn the EBC off or on 1 (think thats right) but you SHOULD be using every damn thing this bike has to offer and driving it like it truly begs for HARD! If you bought the bike just for looks, and not true performance, than so be it and turn everything off and drive it in Wet mode with just 120hp. Why is everything such a huge issue that people are afraid of using? I am NOT speaking to any individual here, just stating facts as I see them based on many years of owning Ducati's (20+) and obviously this is an opinion just like I have said breaking in a new bike should be done HARD! Yeah I know, very controversial topic that everyone seems to have different opinions on!
Let's not even get into that or worse yet how the damn slipper clutch operates either! But folks- its not rocket science, use everything on this bike to it's fullest potential or just wax it in your garage and stare at it all weekend! .....................

Gunny Fitz said:

This thread is DEF not BS, it's just a completely misunderstood, and obviously misused feature of this fantastic bike. True-the DQS was built to assist the rider in time on track during hardcore acceleration so that no time is spent using the clutch, leaving them to stay wide open on the gas. However, not everyone is going to be heading out to the track, actually racing in competition, and in need of precious mili seconds for this. The DQS feature is there on your bike TO FRIGGING USE ! You do not need to be wide open / full throttle to use this, dont need to be at redline or anywhere near the damn thing, and don't need to be on the track foremost!

If you are tolling along at 40, 50, 60, or even 90 mph you should use the frigging feature for all it's worth gents (and ladies) the damn throttle DOES NOT need to be wide open, simply open enough for the electronic component to understand the bike is entering the next gear upward. ...., I often did this on my old Ducati that did not even have a DQS mechanism! When a bike reaches a certain rpm level with gentle force applied upward (or downward in GP shifting) the bike will simply go into that next gear easily. The DQS just gives the transmission "easier access" to the next gear without having to use the clutch! I dont know what is so hard to understand about this. As I stated in many other threads of such nature, it is just another awesome function of this bike which SHOULD be used without even thinking you are going to "Harm" anything in the process. A few slow speed upshifts without being on throttle, even at 20 mph, are not going to harm a damn thing! There is NO NEED to turn it off or use your clutch for EVERY shift in the world! USE DQS!!!

If YOU as the rider are not comfortable with this issue, then dont use it. If you dont like raising the front end of your bike during roll on power wheelies-turn the DTC up to a high number, if you love the engine braking feel and sound-turn the EBC off or on 1 (think thats right) but you SHOULD be using every damn thing this bike has to offer and driving it like it truly begs for HARD! If you bought the bike just for looks, and not true performance, than so be it and turn everything off and drive it in Wet mode with just 120hp. Why is everything such a huge issue that people are afraid of using? I am NOT speaking to any individual here, just stating facts as I see them based on many years of owning Ducati's (20+) and obviously this is an opinion just like I have said breaking in a new bike should be done HARD! Yeah I know, very controversial topic that everyone seems to have different opinions on!
Let's not even get into that or worse yet how the damn slipper clutch operates either! But folks- its not rocket science, use everything on this bike to it's fullest potential or just wax it in your garage and stare at it all weekend! .....................

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Mechanic said the same thing, use it whenever you want. Still don't know why between 4-5 it's hitting N.

Only reason I can think of, which has already been stated, is that you're not taking the shift lever through its full stroke and engaging the gear properly.

It's somewhere in between electronic and mechanical land...

Rhino said:

Only reason I can think of, which has already been stated, is that you're not taking the shift lever through its full stroke and engaging the gear properly.

It's somewhere in between electronic and mechanical land...

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Happened 3 times, and each time I had already been banging through dqs from 1st or 2nd with no issues. Strange...Will talk to the mechanic at 1000km

Not only is the DQS awesome at the track, from what ive "sensed" it works amazing in sport mode cruising, even 2 up. I think there is some 'smoothing' done by the ecm becuse I find that riding around town at a normal pace using the dqs without letting off the throttle, the bike shifts as smooth or smoother than I would have with a clutch.

Ummm

mrbrettbaker said:

Not only is the DQS awesome at the track, from what ive "sensed" it works amazing in sport mode cruising, even 2 up. I think there is some 'smoothing' done by the ecm becuse I find that riding around town at a normal pace using the dqs without letting off the throttle, the bike shifts as smooth or smoother than I would have with a clutch.

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Exactly what I was trying to say in my long novel of a reply!