DR Crybaby its just not fair.

Cloner · Aug 26, 2013

Win a few MotoGP championships and I'll give a .... what you say. Until then, I think I'll take a dose of what Rossi is doling out........or Jorge, or Casey, or Nicky....well...you get the idea.

I pull for the Old Man. What about it? Wanna rassle over it?

weltonrk · Aug 26, 2013

mark419ny said:
now i believe it has part to do with the best teams the most money and a marginal field of racers but he still had to go out and win the races which he did. /QUOTE]

Nice backhand compliment for Rossi, generally speaking with all forms of motorsports the top teams usually win (F1=Red Bull, NASCAR=Jimmy Hendricks/ Joe Gibbs/ Robert Yates, IRL=Chip Ganassi/ Roger Penske, Newman-Hass), and if you all calling Daijiro Kato, Norick Abe, Nickey Hayden, KRJR, Max Biaggi, Alex Barros, Carlos Checa, Marco Melandri, Shinya Nakano, Aoki, Garry McCoy, Loris, Capirossi, Sete Gibernau marginal riders then"¦.WOW! I do not think you're given these guys much credit. Even if you are last on a MOTOGP grid, you are not marginal. You do not make it to the world class level being marginal.

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Duck41 · Aug 26, 2013

ScrapperX said:
I think Rossi still have the skillz to win a championship but the Honda's are far superior to th M1 period. Just ask JLo

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I'm a fan of Rossi but he has been consistently outpaced by the Hondas and JL this season. I'd currently rank him as top second tier.

The RC213Vs are very strong this year but I certainly wouldn't go as far as to say they are far superior to the M1. The Yamahas are competitive and other bikes have beat the Hondas on occasion. You have to give a lot of credit to MM and Pedrosa for taking that bike to the limit and maximizing its strengths. Huge fan of MM93.

anthem · Aug 26, 2013

mark419ny said:
bautista said that he owes MM dinner for his qualifying time.

Its not the first time he has done it... He seems to do it quite often.

MacaveliMC · Aug 28, 2013

youngR said:
Rossi never been good at Qualifying. Look at his wins vs qualifying stats. Others like Lorenzo and Pedrosa is almost even but Rossi is significantly different.

+1 to this, Rossi has never been a qualifier, his qualifying vs win stats are quite unusual. So many wins, so few poles as opposed to most other riders that are relatively equal on those fronts, or at least similar.

I wonder how Stoner would do with the new qualifying system as well. If I remember correctly, typically someone else would sit atop the timing sheet for most of qualifying, then near the end of the session he'd come back out and lay down a blistering time when he got a clear track and everyone thought the grid was pretty much set. I wonder if he'd have the same problem as Rossi.

And Bautista is an annoying genius following MM for that tow lap that almost gave him pole

lol

mark419ny · Aug 28, 2013

MacaveliMC said:
+1 to this, Rossi has never been a qualifier, his qualifying vs win stats are quite unusual. So many wins, so few poles as opposed to most other riders that are relatively equal on those fronts, or at least similar.

I wonder how Stoner would do with the new qualifying system as well. If I remember correctly, typically someone else would sit atop the timing sheet for most of qualifying, then near the end of the session he'd come back out and lay down a blistering time when he got a clear track and everyone thought the grid was pretty much set. I wonder if he'd have the same problem as Rossi.

And Bautista is an annoying genius following MM for that tow lap that almost gave him pole lol

difference is stoner would find a clear track as you said and blister out 1 lap. bautista is notorious for doing what he did. i say if you can do it go ahead. ionne tried to follow rossi and you saw what happened.

MacaveliMC · Aug 28, 2013

mark419ny said:
difference is stoner would find a clear track as you said and blister out 1 lap. bautista is notorious for doing what he did. i say if you can do it go ahead. ionne tried to follow rossi and you saw what happened.

Difference is he had 45 minutes to find a clear track. There is no clear track in a 15 min qualifier

mark419ny · Aug 28, 2013

MacaveliMC said:
Difference is he had 45 minutes to find a clear track. There is no clear track in a 15 min qualifier

oh yea forgot to mention that part lol

Thamer · Aug 28, 2013

Listen, Rossi was Rossi cause he was that good then. There is a caviot of info.....Rossi was alone in his greatness. There were no others like him, skill,personality, a presence.

There were good riders, but Rossi types...none. Now....Rossi is not the exception, but the rule and he is not what he was.

Stoner, Lorenzo, pedrosa, Marquez, crutchlow, not to mention the lot coming up from Moto 2. No one will be a Rossi, cause the game and the competition has changed.....there has been a shift ( I love the pun) in the sport itself. We must all wait and see how MM turns out.

I personally think careers will not last as long anymore. I think it will become like football...I mean soccer were 30 is the end of one's career cause we have to many potential Rossis now and teams will become fickle in there retention of their riders.

Rossi has done amazing things in his life, for this sport, and elevated the recognition that these athletes, and they are super athletes deserve.

Duck41 · Aug 28, 2013

Thamer said:
Listen, Rossi was Rossi cause he was that good then. There is a caviot of info.....Rossi was alone in his greatness. There were no others like him, skill,personality, a presence.

There were good riders, but Rossi types...none. Now....Rossi is not the exception, but the rule and he is not what he was.

Stoner, Lorenzo, pedrosa, Marquez, crutchlow, not to mention the lot coming up from Moto 2. No one will be a Rossi, cause the game and the competition has changed.....there has been a shift ( I love the pun) in the sport itself. We must all wait and see how MM turns out.

I personally think careers will not last as long anymore. I think it will become like football...I mean soccer were 30 is the end of one's career cause we have to many potential Rossis now and teams will become fickle in there retention of their riders.

Rossi has done amazing things in his life, for this sport, and elevated the recognition that these athletes, and they are super athletes deserve.

Not quite sure I agree with some of your statements. Firstly, I wouldn't lump Crutch in with the top tier guys just yet. He has quite a bit to prove before he can be elevated to that class, imo. Also, your hypothesis that rider careers will not last as long due partially to the influx of potential Rossis seems unfounded. Rossi level talent generally only comes around once every 10-15 years, which is what we're seeing now with MM.

Thamer · Aug 28, 2013

Duck41 said:
Not quite sure I agree with some of your statements. Firstly, I wouldn't lump Crutch in with the top tier guys just yet. He has quite a bit to prove before he can be elevated to that class, imo. Also, your hypothesis that rider careers will not last as long due partially to the influx of potential Rossis seems unfounded. Rossi level talent generally only comes around once every 10-15 years, which is what we're seeing now with MM.

Well I don't think there's 10, let alone 15 years between stoner and Marquez. Maybe between Rossi and stoner when it came to classes 125, 250, 500cc, etc.

Age wise there's even less so I don't completely agree.

Crutchlow is awesome cause he has personality, seems very tangible, not polished. I like his frankness, he's a brawler in spirit. That means a lot for me and is somewhat a subjective thing.

I just think the days of going several years on a factory bike without a title are over (with the exception to Pedrosa). That's what I mean about a shorter carrier.

You maybe right though its not like anyone has been able to predict what's happened this year.

Cheers

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