Ducati DDA+

BTrain5489 · May 20, 2014

DDA+ might be the coolest thing I've purchased for my Panigale. I haven't had it on the track yet so I'm just playing around with it turned on while riding on the street.

Can't wait to get it on to CotA in September. Being able to break your riding down at this level is huge.

Anyway, the main thing I think it's missing is an accelerometer. That way you could tell how hard you were accelerating, braking, or cornering at various points in a run. I guess you might be able to derive that information using the increase/decrease in speed/time for acceleration/braking but that wouldn't help with cornering.

Has anyone found out anything about DDA killing batteries? My setup appears to be turning itself off when the key is turned off and despite being plugged in overnight, and all day, did not appear to be draining my battery. Is that a non-issue now? Can I just leave the data logger plugged in until I happen to want to pull data from it?

Marmoot · May 20, 2014

Yes I heard about DDA killing batteries, you need to turn it off, apparently.

With GPS data, most analyser can derive accel/decel from the coordinates.

Good purchase, GPS logger including DDA definitely helps finding out more about your riding. The first time I analysed my riding, I discovered hat me braking later didn't make me faster; instead it made me brake harder, ending up in overbraking and going into the corner too slow, resulting in apexing too early thus going wide on the exit and couldn't accelerate sooner. Fixing at cut about 2-3 seconds instantly.
Next thing you want is a good video camera and overlay software

http://youtu.be/enjuzR3htns

Xbox · May 21, 2014

Not sure if the battery drain when USB is left installed has been fixed.

Also, need to consider how a fix could/would be implemented - i.e. software, or hardware?

Macke · May 21, 2014

Marmoot said:
Yes I heard about DDA killing batteries, you need to turn it off, apparently.

With GPS data, most analyser can derive accel/decel from the coordinates.

Good purchase, GPS logger including DDA definitely helps finding out more about your riding. The first time I analysed my riding, I discovered hat me braking later didn't make me faster; instead it made me brake harder, ending up in overbraking and going into the corner too slow, resulting in apexing too early thus going wide on the exit and couldn't accelerate sooner. Fixing at cut about 2-3 seconds instantly.
Next thing you want is a good video camera and overlay software
Ducati 1199S - Pukekohe 29/03/2014 - YouTube

What software are you using for overlay?

Theefiveoh · May 21, 2014

The overlay looks like Dashware. I have used it with my Contour +2 and it works well.

DashWare - Telemetry Data Overlay on Your Videos

Macke · May 21, 2014

Looked at the demo for dashware, and was wondering... Are you able to add additional channels to the video? Or is it ju the default ones like speed, tach, G-force, and the track map?

Would like to add things like TPS, Brake preassure, lean angle, gear, etc...

Marmoot · May 21, 2014

Yup, Dashware.
Yeah, you can create your own gadgets.
And you can use some of the provided gadgets but change the input channel to something that is is not, and edit the labels.
You just need to figure out how to log the data. DDA+ obviously logs some (rpm, throttle, tcs, etc). Not sure how to export the DDA data though.
I am currently trying to create arduino-based suspension travel logger. It would be useful to see any compression/rebound/preload issue.

Macke · May 21, 2014

We have the AIM EVO4 complete logger, so we log about 15 or 16 different channels I belieave. So, that's no problem. And we can export all the data to a .csv file that Dashware can read... So it should work then...

Kraai · May 21, 2014

You need to take out the USB Stick. Otherwise your battery is drained in a week, if you don't ride your bike.

Claymore · May 21, 2014

My battery always drained and nobody could help me, including my dealership (closed down by Porsche SA's underhand deal with Ducati Italy to close down all the other independent dealers in South Africa) until I discovered I had to unplug the USB stick. Her battery is now just fine.
I have a really small Shorai battery installed (weights more than 2 kgs less than the oem) and it functions perfectly all the time.

Scorpio66 · May 21, 2014

Marmoot said:
Yup, Dashware.
Yeah, you can create your own gadgets.
And you can use some of the provided gadgets but change the input channel to something that is is not, and edit the labels.
You just need to figure out how to log the data. DDA+ obviously logs some (rpm, throttle, tcs, etc). Not sure how to export the DDA data though.
I am currently trying to create arduino-based suspension travel logger. It would be useful to see any compression/rebound/preload issue.

I asked Dashware if they can overlay the DDA data and sent the file but since then just ... crickets :-(

jarelj · May 21, 2014

Scorpio66 said:
I asked Dashware if they can overlay the DDA data and sent the file but since then just ... crickets :-(

The DDA data format is wacky, I've sent it to a few of the various electronics companies to see if we could crack it so we can use the data in other applications and everyone has said it's not possible (or rather FEASIBLE).

Scorpio66 · May 21, 2014

jarelj said:
The DDA data format is wacky, I've sent it to a few of the various electronics companies to see if we could crack it so we can use the data in other applications and everyone has said it's not possible (or rather FEASIBLE).

As "somebody" said in another thread, it is very "Italian"

... like me

jarelj · May 21, 2014

Scorpio66 said:
As "somebody" said in another thread, it is very "Italian" ... like me

Yes it is!!

Claymore · May 21, 2014

There are Pro Stock additions to the DDA+ that makes it more useful. It will probably satisfy the outstanding requirements most of us have. B|

jarelj · May 21, 2014

At that point just upgrade to the AiM Evo4 or Solo-DL and you can do WAY more than the DDA is capable of for $699 vs. $600. Only downside is you don't get lap times on the stock dash like you do with the DDA, but on the plus side the timer is removable from the bike so you can use it on multiple bikes of any make, and also in a car.

JeffD · May 21, 2014

Claymore said:
I have a really small Shorai battery installed (weights more than 2 kgs less than the oem) and it functions perfectly all the time.

Do you know which model Shorai it is?

Thanks and sorry for the thread derailment.

Scorpio66 · May 21, 2014

jarelj said:
Yes it is!!

don;t worry, I agree on that statement most of the time

jarelj · May 21, 2014

JeffD said:
Do you know which model Shorai it is?

Thanks and sorry for the thread derailment.

LFX14A2-BS12 is the model for the Panigale, that what I have in mine.

Jello · May 21, 2014

jarelj said:
The DDA data format is wacky, I've sent it to a few of the various electronics companies to see if we could crack it so we can use the data in other applications and everyone has said it's not possible (or rather FEASIBLE).

DDA comes with my SL. Once I get my hands on it and have some time to spare I will be attempted to reverse engineer their protocol and figure out what's what. I'll post notes in a new thread and if I'm successful release an open source tool (or provide an online utility).

I figure it will be a good project for rainy weekends.

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