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unrazzo

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Got my 99 this week, I rode it to work (5 city miles, 12 highway).

Every Ducati I've had in the last 10 years, I've always gone a tooth or two bigger on the rear to make it more tolerable during take-off.

My first complaint, if I'm even allowed to complain about such an insanely good bike, it that take-off is a lot more work than I'd like. I feel like I need the same mod on this, but afraid I'll be pulling wheelies at every intersection I stop at.

Thoughts?
 
I'll be going up 1 tooth on the rear sprocket to help first gear take offs and 2nd gear corners.
 
Rode around a little today... then noticed something in the city...

I saw a 25 mph speed limit sign... I immediately looked down and was doing 35. Normally no big deal, but then I thought, I wonder if I can even go 25 mph. Ha... the 99's minimum speed seems to be 35.... I had a hell of a time. Pretty funny... I can see it now:

"Sorry officer, this bike won't go less than 35."

"Son, don't mess with me... I ride a motorcycle too if you haven't noticed."

"Um... but it's a Harley."

"Son step over here and turn around. You have the right to remain silent...."
 
unrazzo said:
Rode around a little today... then noticed something in the city...

I saw a 25 mph speed limit sign... I immediately looked down and was doing 35. Normally no big deal, but then I thought, I wonder if I can even go 25 mph. Ha... the 99's minimum speed seems to be 35.... I had a hell of a time. Pretty funny... I can see it now:

"Sorry officer, this bike won't go less than 35."

"Son, don't mess with me... I ride a motorcycle too if you haven't noticed."

"Um... but it's a Harley."

"Son step over here and turn around. You have the right to remain silent...."
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Most of the streets in the suburbs have a 40mph limit. I find the same thing you note above except I'll look down and I'll be doing 50. It just seems more comfortable there.
 
unrazzo said:
Rode around a little today... then noticed something in the city...

I saw a 25 mph speed limit sign... I immediately looked down and was doing 35. Normally no big deal, but then I thought, I wonder if I can even go 25 mph. Ha... the 99's minimum speed seems to be 35.... I had a hell of a time. Pretty funny... I can see it now:

"Sorry officer, this bike won't go less than 35."

"Son, don't mess with me... I ride a motorcycle too if you haven't noticed."

"Um... but it's a Harley."

"Son step over here and turn around. You have the right to remain silent...."
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You better take it back to the dealer as the min speed is way less than that.
What happens when you go thru a 15 mph school zone? Have been there and the bike will do that in 1st at idle no problem. Something is wrong with your bike if it will not do under 35 mph.
 
If one cannot control the bike and make a smooth take off even if the bike had low gearing or is unable to drive the bike under 35 without lugging the motor then I believe there a serous control issue with the rider.

I highly recommend taking a refresher course with MSF.

Motorcycle Safety Foundation
 
I think I know what he is saying. When I first rode my bike , it would fall on it's face at around 1500 rpms in first as I was taking off from a stop. No matter what I tried , it would'nt go away. I switched my "Sport" mode to 195HI instead of 195LO , and the issue went away. Now take offs are alot smoother.
 
d1098man said:
Im looking to do the same
thing you do........atleast 2 up
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Hi Guys, Just last May 18-20, 2012, we experienced the 1st Philippine Ducati Weekend here in Manila. Ducati weekend was held at the Clark Int'l Circuit. It was simply awesome! Troy Bayliss came over and was here riding 2 Panigales assigned to him. One was a Tricolore and the other one a Red "S". He used both bikes on our Clark Int'l Speedway circuit and informed us (Panigale owners) when asked regarding gearing...he instructed us ...that the Panigale needs at least 2 up on the rear sprocket. This set up for Trackdays and Road riding.

I will follow his advise and go 2 up on the rear when aftermarket companies come up with rear sprockets for the Panigale. It seems that only Ducati Performance carries rear sprockets for the 1199 Panigale. Rear sprockets of 1199 and 1198 have different part numbers...My dealer here claims they are different. I cant use a sprocket from an 1198 on my 1199.

Why? Shouldnt it be the same sized rear sprocket hub carrier with the previous 1198 models?

Miguel
1199 "S" w/ abs
Manila, Philippines.
 
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I made a 1-tooth change on my 1098s. It made a world of difference in starts and going through a suburban town without attracting too much attention in 1st or 2nd gear high reving. Just made it easier to manage as a street bike for me. I need more time in the seat on my 1199 before i make the switch....
 
I generally had this problem with other vtwins (Aprilia mille and 999r) but with the 1199 no such issue. The bike feels perfect , gearing and handling (for street), it may be that i got better over the years (don't think so), but i think the bike is just that good.

in my opinion Gearing changes not needed for low speed traffic or for moving off.

Could it be that your idle speed is too high?
 
Brickcues said:
You better take it back to the dealer as the min speed is way less than that.
What happens when you go thru a 15 mph school zone? Have been there and the bike will do that in 1st at idle no problem. Something is wrong with your bike if it will not do under 35 mph.
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No need, just pull in the clutch and coast lol
 
Ok, let me speak in less hyperbole and more empirical...

Yes, of course it goes less than 35... insults about talking the MSF course again aside, let me re-state so the angry-at-the-world people have less of a reason to rag.

The bike is uncomfortable in first gear at 25 and chugs a bit in second. Scientifically, I was thinking a larger circumference in the rear might alleviate the "uncomfortableness" at such speeds in the city and in-front of school zones and such.

Thanks for the feedback from those the understood my meaning, the haters... well... you clearly don't have an 1199, or you'd been glowingly happy, so stop stomping around our forum if you can't be constructive or at least helpful.

Heart.
 
unrazzo said:
Ok, let me speak in less hyperbole and more empirical...

Yes, of course it goes less than 35... insults about talking the MSF course again aside, let me re-state so the angry-at-the-world people have less of a reason to rag.

The bike is uncomfortable in first gear at 25 and chugs a bit in second. Scientifically, I was thinking a larger circumference in the rear might alleviate the "uncomfortableness" at such speeds in the city and in-front of school zones and such.

Thanks for the feedback from those the understood my meaning, the haters... well... you clearly don't have an 1199, or you'd been glowingly happy, so stop stomping around our forum if you can't be constructive or at least helpful.

Heart.
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I'm thinking of going two up at the back for a different reason, I'm missing that 1198s smack you in the face torque off the line, meanwhile back on thread...
there is another solution for the chugging etc, its the fuel map, emission laws etc. just buy the full system, upload the Racing Evo map and its much much better. i saw 37mph in fourth the other day quite happily.
 
I'm curious whether there may be clearance issues with a larger rear sprocket as the chain passes over the exhaust outlet?
 
When I took the MSF course, the instructor made me shift into second for the 20 MPH emergency stop in a turn. The bike I had that day was perfectly fine at accelerating to 20 in first gear, but lugged noticeably at 20 in second gear. I don't know why the instructor required second gear for this exercise, since the objective was braking in a turn from 20 MPH and stopping the bike safely. I concluded the MSF course is not the answer to preventing a bike from lugging at slower speeds. It's most likely turning and gear selection.

My Panigale seems surprisingly good at accelerating from a stop, regardless of mode. I particularly like the clutch action, allowing it to take off easier than my 696 Monster! Also, its incredible balance makes it incredibly easy to handle at slow parking lot speeds (where the most embarrassing incidents usually happen).
 
chris lee said:
Also, its incredible balance makes it incredibly easy to handle at slow parking lot speeds (where the most embarrassing incidents usually happen).
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Agree with this 100%. It is rare to see a superbike handle that way at such low speeds. This makes is a good city bike for me.
 
I couldn't agree more, I can be slightly rolling and can keep my feet on the pegs as I roll forward waiting for a green light... Never had any bike this well balanced.

Andy, thanks... A PERFECT reason to upgrade the exhaust.... Sweeeet. I'm gonna blame you when my wife finds out... Cool? :D
 
unrazzo said:
I couldn't agree more, I can be slightly rolling and can keep my feet on the pegs as I roll forward waiting for a green light... Never had any bike this well balanced.

Andy, thanks... A PERFECT reason to upgrade the exhaust.... Sweeeet. I'm gonna blame you when my wife finds out... Cool? :D
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Yeah that's fine, I'm always in the dog house with mine anyway!:D

It is much much better though. My theory is you could get away with just the map or the map and the slip ons as i reckon it's the map that smooths stuff out. That's why Ducati have cleverly done the upload dongle to release the map one time one bike. Ie if you could borrow a dongle and get the racing evo map I'm sure it would be better without the expense of the full system.

There are other benefits to the full system. It's no louder than the slip ons but...the bang that comes out when using the quick shift is deafening! That's reason enough for the cash in my book!

Tell your wife I recommend full carbon parts too! If I'm going to get blamed you may as well fill your boots! :D
 

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