Hey Mick - what about them wings?

@Mick1976

just browsing around, i've seen outrageous prices for the CF winglets for the V4 and SF


adding them to the portfolio anytime soon?

Cheers!

Mick isn’t making wings because he makes motorcycle parts not airplane parts and wings belong on planes.

If you have access to a tunnel and you’re “that good” to benefit from tuned aerodynamic surfaces then, ok maybe play with some “wings”. If it’s for a street bike, you need to go outside and spend 30 min kicking your own ass for even considering it.

All you guys with wings on your street bike, people are laughing at you. Why? Same reason we make fun of the goofball with the 2ft tall wing on a Civic. It’s ridiculous. Not a lot better than slapping sponsor decals on your bike from companies that don’t sponsor you or sitting on your couch on game day wearing a jersey with another guys name on the back. Goofy .... the human mind cons you into thinking is a nifty idea. Just stop it.

Silly mind games. If you want to talk wings, there are some great aviation sites out there. This ain’t one of them.

Yeah vesparacer is pretty much correct on all this stuff regarding wings. I have had a few inquires about carbon wings but not worth the time to tool up to just make a couple sets for guys that are actually putting them to use on the race track. Anyone putting wings on for looks or street riding yeah kind of rediculous.

i'm with ya guys, was just wondering, based off the "3rd winglet" thread

look at the SL wings, butt ugly- looks like a salamander crossed with a catfish but hey it will generate 27.4 kg of downforce at 275k so that when YOU go over the bump at Mugello you will be able to keep it pinned yeah baby...

Wings have their place, in MotoGP, but for street riders its a way to A.sell the racer dream and B. make a .... ton of money replacing the wings and mountings when you crash.

Read a few reports of streetfighter owners removing the wings to improve the looks and stop getting an annoying wind blast, added benefit you get to have a set of undamaged wings.

I'm going to +1 that last comment. I'm calling ........ on the calling of ......... Down-force is down-force, extra stopping power is extra stopping power. Progress is progress. Every hog rider I used to meet said the same thing about fairings. "Wadda-ya goin' ta a race there dude? fkin' get a reeeal bike like this Hardly Ableson."
Do we need 214hp to tool around the hills on a Sunday morning? No. A lot of people say, "You'll put yer eye out kid!" But it's pretty nice.
Ducati was first to adopt aerodynamic fairings, now the first to adopt down-force aerodynamics.
Also +1 on the Superleggera. Wow. I mean, where do you take that? It looks delicate and other worldly and totally out of place everywhere except Mugello. Sitting in traffic I would feel like is was taking Gisele Bündchen with heels and a backless seethrough to a bingo parlor. Some peeps in Hollywood will pull it off though.
Aesthetics alone I feel the 2018-19 Panigale is one of the most elegant gorgeous bad-assery motorcycles ever designed by man. The new stuff is just the beginning and it's not perfect yet. That said, Luddites be damned, it's the future. Gas is going away, aerodynamics is only going to take off. So there.

Ya another +1 on the SF wings. 'Tf do ya want down-force fer on a SF? Aren't you supposed to wheelie that everywhere? Someday the winglets will be robotic and help sustain a wheelie ;P ha!

Haha! The fact is that they are too small to generate much downforce or grip at legal speeds or even double legal, to do that they need to be BIG, and you can see on the SL that they are humungous but still not big enough unless you are well north of 200. The SF wings are next and the V4's are well lets just say no viagra is going to compensate for that I think that retractable individually electronically adjustable wings are whats required

There are many parts on every bike that are dedicated to only being for style like holes/ducts to mimic cooling that lead to nowhere , flairs that no nothing but add to the style(clear clutch covers). Why so much hate on the wings? The whole brand is based upon style and the feeling you get when you ride or look at it(and performance but there are many other bikes that make similar power with less cost involved). People see things in the race world and think it's cool so they try and mimic it on their own bike/street bike even if it doesn't add any performance. I think it looks cool. I don't have a bike that supports the look of wings but if I had a sportbike/superbike I would definitely entertain the idea of street wings. Hell, I am thinking about adding the carbon brake ducts. I know It won't have any effect on my street bike but I like the look and who doesn't like modifying/customizing/adding frackles.

Personal opinion. Why is it so important for people to look like something they are not. What possible satisfaction is there “dressing the part” but never being the actor?
Do you actually psychologically feel better wearing a Rossi jacket or having Ducati Corse plastered all over your bike? when you nor your bike have any association with that division. I never understood this. You see all these trucks with banners and logos all over them, TRD, Super Duty, Duramax, Big Horn Edition. Just stop already.
What possible relevance does having a logo letting everyone know what engine or transmission is in your daily driver?
Hey if you want to wear Fatigues, great but Fatigues with outfit logos that you never served with? ....... lame. What’s the point?The world is a giant gimmick because “looking” is a lot easier than “being”. Take a moment to actually evaluate why emulation is important to you. Logos and gimmicks are designed to attract attention. Ask yourself why you need this. Why is it important for others to notice you?
Let’s take a bite out of this and all do our part to do something less goofy each day and you can start now by taking all that poser .... off the bike, selling it and donating the $$ to someone who needs it. You will feel much more satisfaction than having a shark fin on your lid.

Or, everyone can do whatever they want with their money and everyone else could start dictating what others should have, want or feel. Lets try that. It's easier to change yourself as opposed to try and change everyone around you to suit your liking

That will be the new normal wings, decorations and poser decals haha lol

Vbreeze said:

I'm going to +1 that last comment. I'm calling ........ on the calling of ......... Down-force is down-force, extra stopping power is extra stopping power. Progress is progress. Every hog rider I used to meet said the same thing about fairings. "Wadda-ya goin' ta a race there dude? fkin' get a reeeal bike like this Hardly Ableson."
Do we need 214hp to tool around the hills on a Sunday morning? No. A lot of people say, "You'll put yer eye out kid!" But it's pretty nice.
Ducati was first to adopt aerodynamic fairings, now the first to adopt down-force aerodynamics.
Also +1 on the Superleggera. Wow. I mean, where do you take that? It looks delicate and other worldly and totally out of place everywhere except Mugello. Sitting in traffic I would feel like is was taking Gisele Bündchen with heels and a backless seethrough to a bingo parlor. Some peeps in Hollywood will pull it off though.
Aesthetics alone I feel the 2018-19 Panigale is one of the most elegant gorgeous bad-assery motorcycles ever designed by man. The new stuff is just the beginning and it's not perfect yet. That said, Luddites be damned, it's the future. Gas is going away, aerodynamics is only going to take off. So there.

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This! 1000%

Araitim,You missed the point but that’s ok. No one is dictating that you do or don’t anything. You want to load your bike down with “look at me” trinkets, that’s your prerogative. If that makes you happy, go nuts man.

As you say each to their own, I wont put a part on the bike unless it the bit it replaces is heavier or performs some function better than what’s there. The other day I was coming over the kink on the front straight at out local track at 265 reasonably cranked over before levelling up for the braking point. Done it dozens of times at that speed but for some reason either because I changed into 6th right on the bump or whatever but I got into a tank slapper and started shitting myself. I really thought this is it but just kept the gas on, relaxed and it sorted it self out. It was at that point I thought if wings could prevent those 5th gear floaters then call me a convert!! I thought about building some track only biplanes, anyway if i do I’ll keep you posted.

lots of diatribing here. I'm glad my bike has wings. As someone said, downforce is downforce.

Phl said:

@Mick1976

just browsing around, i've seen outrageous prices for the CF winglets for the V4 and SF


adding them to the portfolio anytime soon?

Cheers!

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CSV4 said:

lots of diatribing here. I'm glad my bike has wings. As someone said, downforce is downforce.

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CSV4 -I was thinking the same thing- I had them on my V4R liked them , felt liked they worked by putting more weight on the front tire on corner entry ! Not sure I would put them on a bike that didn’t come with them from factory! To each is own!

The aero on these things isn't like some kid who put a huge wing on a Honda Civic. Adding wings to things which don't already have them is...eh. You know.

But, these were engineered with them and for very good reasons. We need to differentiate between add-ons and factory standard equipment.

Certain effects from wings are measurable in wind tunnels and on racetracks, though on racetracks it becomes a less precise measurement as the pilot is a much greater effect on the lap times mixed with 7,000 other elements. It's as much about "feel," as anything else. It's incremental improvements looking for small differentiating edge on competition. So this is interesting to me, not just applied to racetracks but to amateur enthusiasts like us. Looking at it from less quantitative more qualitative feeling & experience which IMHO counts very much. I was remembering a few things you all may share depending on how many years and how many different bikes you've ridden:

1970's dirt bikes
Wind pushes rider back and up, squinting as hard as possible wind in hair, 55MPH was unbearable for more than 5 mins.
1980's street bikes
Open helmets sitting upright are basically tiny hard parachutes that fill with air and pull you head off over 80MPH
2000's
Ducati Monster - forward riding position + huge gas take and head light creates small effective turbulent air bubble - 120MPH full face helmet crazy fun, stable enough, unbearable head bobble over 120MPH at the race track
2010's
Ducati SBKs: 848, 1098, 1198
OMG aerodynamics. 155MPH no problem, precise and wicked maneuverability, though >140MPH, wind is punishing on neck, baggy leathers, head bobble is troublesom unless in tight tuck. Knife edge handling on the 848 - wink to change lanes. Hard breaking from 120MPH to 20MPH is exhilarating at times nervous, a little flying by the seat of your pants feel on the track.
2020 PANIGALE V4S with wings + helmet AGV GP Pista R WITH WING: So far... Are you ....... kidding me? Where's this been? At 100MPH, I can drink tea with a pinky out. This champagne feel tipping into curves is easy like rolling over pillows. At 120MPH it's an arrow in clean air, and turbulence around other vehicles moving the same direction is recognizable, understandable & manageable. Hard breaking from 120MPH to 20MPH is stable fast and confident.
My personal conclusion: "The aerodynamic package" is a package that works. I would have to ride with and without wings to see what's the dif. Though I'm going to guess, there is a difference with exponential effects in certain situations. Right now that's enough for me to leave them on, I'll take it. It's not enough for me to think, "I'll just put them on at the track." Though to each his own. Would be interesting to do a feel test. I bet I could tell. Breaking hard I put my knees out and sit up, which is an extremely noticeable difference. At times wished I had one more thing to stick out. Well, here's that one more thing.

Vbreeze said:

... Would be interesting to do a feel test. I bet I could tell...

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How difficult are they to remove and reinstall? I can’t imagine having them and not doing a back-to-back.