In search of Zard dealer in US
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Thanks broseff. Ill get some prices and shoot him a PM. Im the one that sold Ducatikev his Zard for his V4.
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No prob. If I'm not mistaken he was asking on FB and I pointed him here. Couldn't remember your partners name.
I gave him other options besides the Zard stainless and titanium slip on exhaust. I gave him prices on the Termi slipons which come with the Sprint P08 air filter and T800 upmap as a package, 3 SC Project exhaust. My favorite SC Project is the Undertail. I also gave him pricing on the Arrow. But he already has the Arrow. He doesnt like the fact that the left side rubs the road when he turns left. I heard a few other guys complaining about that who track their bike or turn low on the streets. Arrow redesigned that problem from when it first came out for the 2018-19 V4 models. Thats when both exhaust cans were horizontal. Funny thing is I havent heard of the 2nd generation Arrow slipon rubbing the ground on the left side when installed on the V4. Yet the left side rubs the ground on the SFV4. Both the full titanium and titanium with stainless Arrow slipons have the same part #'s for the V4 and SFV4. So something must be slightly different.
Some forum member made a post about the left side of his Arrow rubbing the ground while on the track. He contacted Arrow and was told the exhaust wasnt meant for the track. Even though the part #'s are the same for the V4 and SFV4. After looking real close it seemed that the fitment on the V4 and SFV4 looked slightly different. You really have to look close. Its as though the left exhaust can on the V4 pointed slightly more upward than on the SFV4. This may be why the left side is rubbing the ground on the left side. If Im correct and its pointing a bit higher up on the V4 , it may be because of where the system connects. Meaning on the V4 the connecting pipe may have a slightly more curved bend which makes the left Arrow exhaust can on the left side point a bit more upward. Then again I may be seeing thing and my theory is total crap.
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I'll be testing my Arrow system out in northern California on highways 36, 299, 3, and 96. Then finishing the trip off with Thunderhill East! We'll see how much lean angle it takes to drag.
Yeah let us know. I am just surprised that both the all titanium and titanium/stainless arrow exhausts have the same part #'s. Yet the left side on the SFV4 touches the ground while it doesnt touch the ground on the V4. I really think its because the connecting bike from the stock V4 exhaust pipe curls up a little more than on the SFV4. Which allows the left side can on the V4 to be angled up more. Or Im talking out of my ass and Im just seeing things. LOL
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I might try adjusting the hanger beforehand to try reducing the angle away from the road.
At one point when I was looking into why the left exhaust can was rubbing, I mentioned that the overall seat height was about an inch taller on the SFV4 than on the V4. After I wrote that someone responded ( I forgot who it was) that the reason the seat height was different was because the seat on the SFV4 was thicker than the V4 seat. That gave it a overall taller seat height. So theory one was torpedoed. I watched these to videos. One Arrow being installed on the V4 and one being installed on the SFV4. Even though both parts #'s are the same for both bikes. And both bolt on perfectly on both bikes. It just seems that although they mount up, the left exhaust can on SFV4 point more to the left and sticking out more a bit which may be the cause of why its grinding the ground. While the way it mounts to the V4, the left exhaust can looks at though it is closer to the bike and sort of hugging it more. I may be seeing things and be wrong. But Ive watched both videos at certain time stamps over a few times. You can sort of scroll through to see until you find what Im talking about. Like at the 15:30 mark on the V4 install and then at the about the 7:04 mark on the SFV4 install.
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My guess would be subtle geometry and suspension differences add up to a lower mount point, resulting in touching down.
I’ll have a suspension geek set up the sag and damping, then see if additional ride height might fix it.
Thankfully the standard model feels very stiff from the factory even with all 250lbs of me on board. Hopefully it maintains ride height!
I’ll have a suspension geek set up the sag and damping, then see if additional ride height might fix it.
Thankfully the standard model feels very stiff from the factory even with all 250lbs of me on board. Hopefully it maintains ride height!
Yep that subtle geometry could be the culprit. Cant wait to see your write up once you test it out with some changes that you are going make.
@htxia wound up ordering the Termi slip on exhausts from me instead of the Zard. I gave him a really good price on them shipped. And the package comes with a Sprint P08 air filter and the T800 Upmap. Termignoni Dual Slip-On Exhaust Kit Ducati Streetfighter V4 (20-21)
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I'm the one that started the post about the Arrow dragging. A friend shortened the bracket that hold the Arrow can. He said we could make the connecting Ti pipe red hot and bend it slightly upward. Also we made a dimple on it where the suspension connector could potentially touch the can. The Akra left can already come with that dimple. I'll report back after 12/13 T-hill east and full track days next month. Either way, I'll run the Arrows until they break or something, then change brand.
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I'm the one that started the post about the Arrow dragging. A friend shortened the bracket that hold the Arrow can. He said we could make the connecting Ti pipe red hot and bend it slightly upward. Also we made a dimple on it where the suspension connector could potentially touch the can. The Akra left can already come with that dimple. I'll report back after 12/13 T-hill east and full track days next month. Either way, I'll run the Arrows until they break or something, then change brand.
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I might try shortening the bracket as well, and letting the suspension component “self clearance” into the pipe. T-Hill should be plenty to test the suspension. Are you on the standard or S model?
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S model. Will you be at T-hill on the 12/13th?
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6/4, unfortunately. Have fun!
Hopefully you fix the issue with the modifications you are doing to the exhaust. But in the event it does break and you need to swap out your exhaust for a new one shoot me a message. I think you will be happy with the pricing I could offer you on exhausts.I'm the one that started the post about the Arrow dragging. A friend shortened the bracket that hold the Arrow can. He said we could make the connecting Ti pipe red hot and bend it slightly upward. Also we made a dimple on it where the suspension connector could potentially touch the can. The Akra left can already come with that dimple. I'll report back after 12/13 T-hill east and full track days next month. Either way, I'll run the Arrows until they break or something, then change brand.
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I sell a lot of Vandemon exhausts to guys on this forum. Mostly to the 899/959/1199/1299 and V2 guys. They either buy the Vandemon Undertail or the Underbelly exhausts. Mike came out with a slipon Underbelly exhaust 2 months ago for the guys who didnt want to install full systems on their bikes. I also sell a lot of Vandemon titanium headers without his exhaust cans to Aprilia, BMW, and Honda guys. But since they dont like the large Vandemon exhaust cans I will sell them either an akra, sc project, or termi exhaust can. So far I sold one Vandemon V4 exhaust system. Originally it came with carbon fiber full lower fairings so you wouldnt have to just replace the smaller lower fairings. His carbon pieces looked like a two piece belly pan. Due to low sales he discontinued selling the carbon fiber fairings with the exhaust to keep his costs down. As well as sell the exhaust for a lower price. I think the reason his V4 exhaust isnt selling well is because its priced in the middle between the full Akra system and a full SC Project system. So I think guys are thinking hmm for a few bucks more I can get the Akra or for a few bucks less I can get the SC Project. So now that the Vandemon full system doesnt come with the carbon fairings the price dropped. Hopefully those sales will pick up. He also fixed the issue of the left exhaust can grinding against the road in tight turns on the V4 models. At this point he doesnt have a full system for the SFV4.
That being said, I told Mike that both the full titanium and stainless/titanium Arrow slipons fit the V4 and SFV4. Although the left can drags on the SFV4 when the bike leans too much. And I told him that although the Termi slipons have different part #'s for the V4 and SFV4. The termis will fit both bikes. Same with the Zard slipon. The Zard has 2 different part #'s. And the difference is that the logo is different on the V4 and SFV4 exhausts. Otherwise they will fit both bikes. So guys can just choose the logo they like better for their bikes. I asked Mike whether his full systems headers and link pipes are the same diameter as the OEM ones. The reason I asked him that was because his BMW, Aprilia and Honda link and mid pipes that go to his headers are the same diameter as the OEM exhaust. Which is why I am able to sell his full system without the Vandemon exhaust cans to the BMW, Aprilia and Honda guys. And sell them the Akra, SC Project or Termi slipons. So if his full V4 system has the same diameter as the OEM exhaust where the Arrow, Termi and Zard slipons mount. Then maybe he would want to sell slipons for the V4 and SFV4. When I messaged him today I asked him to consider selling one to a SFV4 guy at a few hundred dollars below my dealer cost so that person can test it. The slipon would cost much less than the full system. If anyone is interested shoot me a PM.
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