Well that may be valid as I can’t find any pics of them on SBK platforms but they are on motogp bikes which I may argue have pretty decent systems
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Yeah they are all trying to accomplish the same thing with cooling the calipers due to the dust issue.
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Yeah but the ceramic brakes on MotoGP bikes do get hotter don’t they?
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Sure and they only use them on some tracks it looks like. Somewhat investigating the validity of these things on a street/track bike.
They generally will also mainly due to its taking more to stop the bikes down the straights but the discs are not the issue they found the calipers are heating up enough to cause the brake dust welding issue which therefore is causing brake performance issues.
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Agreed. It would not be difficult to test either… temp tape the caliper before and after brake ducts on a track day would tell a lot.
WRS claims a brake fluid temp drop of 30-40 degrees with their ducts. If that’s true then they might be good even for a street/track bike.
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I've got caliper ducts on my bike. I was on track, and did a tyre swap midway though the day. I elected to not refit the ducts, as I thought they were just a gimmick, but low and behold, I could tell the difference. The brakes felt a bit firmer and more consistent, so I refitted them.
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Brakes felt firmer with the ducts on?
Do you mean initially or after prolonged use?
Also we’re you using the CNC ducts or an other brand?
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After a lap or two (my bike isn't road registered). Obviously (or maybe not), the ducts only affect the calipers when hot.
I have a different brand, but similar in design to the CNC ones.
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Are you using that much fork travel all the time?
Hmmm, I thought there was a stop that was higher than where that band is sitting.
On a related note, can someone tell me what is going on here?
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That is the limit of the forks travel. Did you get your preload adjusted to your weight?
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If I remember correctly, GP brakes are made out of carbon (rotors and pads). Besides weight they can withstand much higher temperatures than steel.
Interesting thing is carbon brakes need heat to operate better so I guess cooling ducts are for calipers since they may be weak link during those constant high temperature exposures!?
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If you are using that much fork travel on the streets you DEFINAETLY need to get the suspension preload adjusted, called sag, set for your weight.
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I am aware… carbon or carboceramic disks do work at higher temperatures. The weak link is not the calipers it’s the fluid and as was mentioned earlier brake dust welding. This is the reasoning for the cooling I think.
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You are correct about fluid, but when I said calipers, I had in mind where is most amount of fluid exposed to the most amount of heat… of course I was not talking about calipers meltdown or something like that. Now when you guys talking about dust welding, you are actually saying that carbon dust is brought up to the melting point and adhere to the whatever surface it comes to contact with?
I honestly didn’t hear about this, can someone educate me please?
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