New 1299 Fueling???

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Guys I have my 1299S Anniversario on order and I have been reading about a lot of low RPM fueling issues on the 1299's? Some are saying the bike is not being smooth and such and that a piggy back controller is needed? Are you guys seeing the same issue? I'm wondering if the new Anniversario comes with a different fueling map because it comes with the AKR slip on? I'm nuts about having things 100% and just want to be ready for it when she comes in. Honestly don't want to mess with it like I have all the rest of my bikes.....
 
Hmmm, 100% eh, I think you are going to have a lot of disappointments in life, depending of course whether your 100% is that same as somebody else's.

A lot of bikes/cars etc run pretty lean at low speed because of emissions regulations. It's something we live with initially and then correct in a variety of ways, add on controllers, remap the onboard ECU etc. These fixes may or may not be legal depending on where you live.

This new model comes with a special exhaust I believe and as you have suggested probably has an ECU map for that exhaust. In some places it may not be legal to fit that exhaust so there may be no need for the ECU map to comply with regulations either.

You will probably want to do something with the fuelling eventually however so pick your favourite method, add-on or remap, but try it first, it may be 100%.

Cheers
 
the past ducati's I've had stalled occasionally , but the current 15 1299s has been flawless. I will say this you'll probably have an adjustment period if this is your first Ltwin. they don't drive themselves, but the power/feeling is intoxicating .
 
My 1299 stalled and still stalls on 93 octane, dealer raised the rpms a bit, still stalled...bike has about 800 miles. I got a screw in the rear the other day, and my dealer had a tire in stock, took it to them and told them she was still stalling, they said they couldn't find anything wrong with it and said it may be the fuel so they added a fuel additive. Has not stalled since then, but I only took the bike home and for anther short ride. I am convinced the bike needs to breathe a bit better, hence I am considering an exhaust and a tune (rapidbike etc), the only other thing it could be is that the tank vacuum is a total mess with this bike. In any event, its not terrible, but the bike should not stall, and the dealer should step up. It happens once every 5-10 times I take the bike out, so not sure I feel like starting WWIII over it. Dealer also says I should put a few more miles on the bike and it will likely clear up...haha. They previsouly said to wait until after the first service was done and it would clear up by then...

Service guys all say the bike is too restricted from the factory and that it would disappear with a proper exhaust. They also say the charcoal canister cannot be removed on the 1299...not sure if that is correct or not?

Best of luck, the bike is built well, I say have no worries and enjoy!
 
Indiana Jones said:
My 1299 stalled and still stalls on 93 octane, dealer raised the rpms a bit, still stalled...bike has about 800 miles. I got a screw in the rear the other day, and my dealer had a tire in stock, took it to them and told them she was still stalling, they said they couldn't find anything wrong with it and said it may be the fuel so they added a fuel additive. Has not stalled since then, but I only took the bike home and for anther short ride. I am convinced the bike needs to breathe a bit better, hence I am considering an exhaust and a tune (rapidbike etc), the only other thing it could be is that the tank vacuum is a total mess with this bike. In any event, its not terrible, but the bike should not stall, and the dealer should step up. It happens once every 5-10 times I take the bike out, so not sure I feel like starting WWIII over it. Dealer also says I should put a few more miles on the bike and it will likely clear up...haha. They previsouly said to wait until after the first service was done and it would clear up by then...

Service guys all say the bike is too restricted from the factory and that it would disappear with a proper exhaust. They also say the charcoal canister cannot be removed on the 1299...not sure if that is correct or not?

Best of luck, the bike is built well, I say have no worries and enjoy!
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Dealers are forced to state the charcoal canister cannot be removed because they would be breaking emissions laws if they claim it can be removed.

It's a simple job to remove the canister on both the 1199 and 1299.

All bikes sold off the showroom floor are restricted because it has to comply to emissions laws. Once you open up the incoming air with a freer flowing filter and the exiting gases with slip on or full system with a fueling tune, she will run like a beast when you want it to and purr down low without chugging and surging.

First try the bike, you never know you might like it as-is from the factory and the tune might feel right for your needs.

Once you let her breathe and resolve the factory fueling it's game over from there. Too much fun and power everywhere. My 1299 with the termi evo slip-on, sprint p16 filter, and rapidbike race module works so well that my tires have been wearing at an exponential rate because the torque comes on strong where ever in the range and it's so fun to give her a flick of the wrist to make her pounce and roar.

One more thing to add, my bike never stalls.
 
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Guys thanks very much for the advice. I'm looking forward to getting her. I also have a 1290 Super Duke twin and she felt pretty good from the start but after the full AKR system and intake upgrade along with the ditching the emissions BS and finally add the power Comander and auto tune she's a beast! I'm thinking this lady will be the same.
 
Somefun said:
Guys thanks very much for the advice. I'm looking forward to getting her. I also have a 1290 Super Duke twin and she felt pretty good from the start but after the full AKR system and intake upgrade along with the ditching the emissions BS and finally add the power Comander and auto tune she's a beast! I'm thinking this lady will be the same.
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These days, almost ALL modern day motorcycles come from the factory somewhat compromised, due to emissions regulations. My BMW S1000RR was running brutally lean in a couple of areas and too rich in others; I got a custom tune and an Akra system, together with an air filter (although the BMW seems to have a very good OEM filter already).. The same is true, maybe more so with the 1299. Get the fueling sorted out with a RapidBike, custom tune or similar and get a Sprint air filter in there and you should be good to go; I also recommend a 14T front sprocket to deal with the gearing being IMMENSE on the 1299 (199.4 mph at redline in 6th - WAAAAAAY too tall).
 
80shilling said:
These days, almost ALL modern day motorcycles come from the factory somewhat compromised, due to emissions regulations. My BMW S1000RR was running brutally lean in a couple of areas and too rich in others; I got a custom tune and an Akra system, together with an air filter (although the BMW seems to have a very good OEM filter already).. The same is true, maybe more so with the 1299. Get the fueling sorted out with a RapidBike, custom tune or similar and get a Sprint air filter in there and you should be good to go; I also recommend a 14T front sprocket to deal with the gearing being IMMENSE on the 1299 (199.4 mph at redline in 6th - WAAAAAAY too tall).
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80 thank you for the heads up..... Is the Rapid Bike the way to go? Do they auto tune? I love having that on the Super Duke so I never have to worry. Also 14 front sounds good what is the stock front? 15 or 16?
 
Somefun said:
80 thank you for the heads up..... Is the Rapid Bike the way to go? Do they auto tune? I love having that on the Super Duke so I never have to worry. Also 14 front sounds good what is the stock front? 15 or 16?
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I would do your own research and not just take my word for it, but generally, everyone that has used the RapidBike module has been happy with it. You can also go with Tuneboy or Power Commander, but RapidBike seems to be the majority. The deciding factor for me was that Yaman from the US distributor for RapidBike, is a member here and is an absolute treasure trove of information; he also is always available by phone for questions both pre and post sale.

Stock is 15T; 14T is the easiest way to get the gearing to be rational... With the 14T, you end up with an RPM limited top speed of 187 mph, but it makes the bike work far better (in my opinion). You could also try changing the rear sprocket and going +1 or +2 teeth, but you would have to go to a longer chain to accomplish that.

Cheers.
 
80shilling said:
I would do your own research and not just take my word for it, but generally, everyone that has used the RapidBike module has been happy with it. You can also go with Tuneboy or Power Commander, but RapidBike seems to be the majority. The deciding factor for me was that Yaman from the US distributor for RapidBike, is a member here and is an absolute treasure trove of information; he also is always available by phone for questions both pre and post sale.

Stock is 15T; 14T is the easiest way to get the gearing to be rational... With the 14T, you end up with an RPM limited top speed of 187 mph, but it makes the bike work far better (in my opinion). You could also try changing the rear sprocket and going +1 or +2 teeth, but you would have to go to a longer chain to accomplish that.

Cheers.
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Thanks I will look into it for sure. Good Info for sure. I have a PVC with auto tune on my Duke and love it but from what I've found out so far is that the bungs are different sizes and I honestly don't want to get into that on this bike....
 
I have a 2015 Ducati 1299S. I race it. From the dealer, I put on a full Akro system, MWR air filter and a RapidBike module. My bike does not stall. It put down almost 194 rwhp on crap Shell 93 octane gas. My 1299S is a dream and I love her. When I run VP U4.4 fuel, the bike is a monster. Well... a supermodel.:) The torque and HP are unreal. The water pump went out this summer at Road Atlanta. The OEM radiator was not able to handle the heat and racing. So, I've now got some big fancy Italian superbike radiator. Don't ask what I paid with labor. Other than the radiator, I love my Duc. I've owned Aprilia's (plural), Hondas, Suzukis and Kawasakis. The 1299S is a dream and is only better, solely in my opinion, if you open it up with the exhaust, air filter and RapidBike. Happy riding. Peace. Highside49
 
highside49 said:
I have a 2015 Ducati 1299S. I race it. From the dealer, I put on a full Akro system, MWR air filter and a RapidBike module. My bike does not stall. It put down almost 194 rwhp on crap Shell 93 octane gas. My 1299S is a dream and I love her. When I run VP U4.4 fuel, the bike is a monster. Well... a supermodel.:) The torque and HP are unreal. The water pump went out this summer at Road Atlanta. The OEM radiator was not able to handle the heat and racing. So, I've now got some big fancy Italian superbike radiator. Don't ask what I paid with labor. Other than the radiator, I love my Duc. I've owned Aprilia's (plural), Hondas, Suzukis and Kawasakis. The 1299S is a dream and is only better, solely in my opinion, if you open it up with the exhaust, air filter and RapidBike. Happy riding. Peace. Highside49
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Awesome thank man!!! That's what my plans are.... I may wind up selling my ZX10R track bike because she might be sitting a while for sure. :)
 
Just had my 1299 base on standard cans dynoed 179 at start , then 191 with custom remap , was ballistic before ...... mental noo , so smooth low down pulls like a train all the way to the top
 
stu1199 said:
Just had my 1299 base on standard cans dynoed 179 at start , then 191 with custom remap , was ballistic before ...... mental noo , so smooth low down pulls like a train all the way to the top
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Who did the remap and was in stock ECU, or add-on fuel computer like RapidBike or Power Commander?

Cheers.
 

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