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Capt CF said:
Yup. Also, in addition to the swingarm you get more engine, better display, better components, etc. etc. so IMHO the price differential just isn't enough from the base 1199. We argue on here all the time if the S is worth the extra $ over the base, the R over the S, etc. but this is only a 3k difference and look at all the extras you get with the 1199 base over the 899! Maybe the target market is people who can't do math? :)
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Lol, maybe sell a few in wv and Kentucky.
 
Capt CF said:
Yup. Also, in addition to the swingarm you get more engine, better display, better components, etc. etc. so IMHO the price differential just isn't enough from the base 1199. We argue on here all the time if the S is worth the extra $ over the base, the R over the S, etc. but this is only a 3k difference and look at all the extras you get with the 1199 base over the 899! Maybe the target market is people who can't do math? :)
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A $3k differential may not be substantial to many of us 1199 owners, but I'm guessing that to someone who has been longing for the Panigale but couldn't justify a price that was just out of their range, $3k is substantial.

We're not necessarily the targeted demographic for this bike and as current owners we're apt to look at things more logically when in reality purchasing a bike like this is a very emotional decision. If the Panigale is calling out to someone and the only thing keeping them from purchasing is the thought of forking over a minimum of $18k before taxes and fees, then a $3k discount while retaining much of the bike's essence could be pretty enticing. The price reduction becomes even more convincing should the rumored price hike take place on the 1199 models next year.
 
The price jump to base Panigale (2013 pricing) is $4k, not $3k. $14,995 for 899 (w/standard ABS) vs. $18,995 for base 1199 ABS. $4k is a lot of money to most people buying bikes. What we've witnessed over the past 2 years since the 1199 came out is that the 848 Evo buyer was completely different from the 1199 buyer, and I'm sure our experience here smack dab in the middle of the USA is similar to Ducati as a whole. The 848 Evo buyer wanted a high-performance bike, Ducati style, technology, but in no way wanted either the expense and/or performance of the 1199. It was really two completely different markets for the most part. We sold a lot of 848 Evos to riders who didn't even know the 1199 existed, and when they saw it and heard how much HP it had, they said "Oh, I don't need that". So if that market transfers over to the 899, which I suspect it will, then the majority of 899 buyers will not care if the bike has a DSSA, weighs a few lbs. more than the insanely-light 1199, and is missing a few of the more expensive components from the 1199 (slipper clutch, aluminum tank, etc.). These are not buyers who are on the Ducati forums already, who have a soft spot in their heart for the detailed styling elements, and who will compare the 899 to the 1199 in order to make a purchase decision. These buyers will be comparing the bike to its market competitors (MV 800, 675, and the Jap 600-750 range). For those of us in the minority of 899 buyers (myself included) who are looking at it as a middleweight track tool, we're starting from the same point we did with an 848 Evo, which is that we're taking a bike designed as a street bike and converting it to the track, rather than buying a bike designed for the track (1199). Personally I'd love to have a 350 lb. 699cc 135HP Superquadro track scalpel, but that's not the bike Ducati can sell against the competition to the majority of the market, so that's not what we get!
 
MrKO said:
Agree.
If they give the 675 a facelift I could see the 899 having at hard run. That was one of the reasons I didnt go for the 675R. Just didnt like the look and you know it is due for a revamp. If they sexy up the 675R though ... the 899 will be a bust. My 3cents
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The 675 (&R) just got a ground up redesign in '13; all new everything. How is it due for a revamp? What would be really interesting, though unlikely, is if Triumph followed MV into the "supermid" terrain with an 800 Daytona. Now that would be one tasty piece...
 
Seems inevitable in the market that the bikes will continue to migrate larger and larger in size as the spec-sheet sales trend continues, and eventually there will be a whole new class of smaller bikes coming in to fill the vacuum left by the lack of true "small" bikes. Personally I think the 499 Panigale single would be a pretty sweet machine, I'd buy one!
 
jarelj said:
Seems inevitable in the market that the bikes will continue to migrate larger and larger in size as the spec-sheet sales trend continues, and eventually there will be a whole new class of smaller bikes coming in to fill the vacuum left by the lack of true "small" bikes. Personally I think the 499 Panigale single would be a pretty sweet machine, I'd buy one!
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We think alike... ;)

To stray off topic a bit, I've been thinking it's time for a rethink on displacement categories in racing. For example, the 600 class only existed to give 4-strokes parity with smaller two strokes, which no longer exist. I'd like to see a return to the quarter-liter breakdown of 250-500-750-1000. Base it on twin cylinders for 250's, and fours for the rest, with equivalency rule displacement adjustments for different numbers of cylinders from the formula. That would spawn some very interesting new machinery.
 
jarelj said:
The price jump to base Panigale (2013 pricing) is $4k, not $3k. $14,995 for 899 (w/standard ABS) vs. $18,995 for base 1199 ABS. $4k is a lot of money to most people buying bikes. What we've witnessed over the past 2 years since the 1199 came out is that the 848 Evo buyer was completely different from the 1199 buyer, and I'm sure our experience here smack dab in the middle of the USA is similar to Ducati as a whole. The 848 Evo buyer wanted a high-performance bike, Ducati style, technology, but in no way wanted either the expense and/or performance of the 1199. It was really two completely different markets for the most part. We sold a lot of 848 Evos to riders who didn't even know the 1199 existed, and when they saw it and heard how much HP it had, they said "Oh, I don't need that". So if that market transfers over to the 899, which I suspect it will, then the majority of 899 buyers will not care if the bike has a DSSA, weighs a few lbs. more than the insanely-light 1199, and is missing a few of the more expensive components from the 1199 (slipper clutch, aluminum tank, etc.). These are not buyers who are on the Ducati forums already, who have a soft spot in their heart for the detailed styling elements, and who will compare the 899 to the 1199 in order to make a purchase decision. These buyers will be comparing the bike to its market competitors (MV 800, 675, and the Jap 600-750 range). For those of us in the minority of 899 buyers (myself included) who are looking at it as a middleweight track tool, we're starting from the same point we did with an 848 Evo, which is that we're taking a bike designed as a street bike and converting it to the track, rather than buying a bike designed for the track (1199). Personally I'd love to have a 350 lb. 699cc 135HP Superquadro track scalpel, but that's not the bike Ducati can sell against the competition to the majority of the market, so that's not what we get!
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Perfectly said, myself being a 20 year old male, I just want a classy, sexy machine with a great power plant to start with (being my first supersport bike). In saying that I have ridden an 1199 and didn't find it to difficult to ride, it definitely will rip your arms off if not careful, but I just felt like what the hell am I going to do with all this power on the road? I found I just "loved" it because the "1199" gave me that big ego feeling :p haha. Also who cares if its 11lbs heavier than the 1199? Does that mean the 899 is useless now because its heavier with less power? Maybe for you track users out there, but for someone like myself entering the supersport market I am not going to notice nor care that its a tad heavier, the power to weight ratio is still on par or better than its competitors and by competitors I'm talking the 600-750cc Jap bikes I have also considered. I am a bit disappointed it doesn't have the single sided swing arm, but not that disappointed to fork out the extra $$$.

I can't wait to test ride the 899, which is priced perfectly for my budget. here in Australia according to bikesales.com.au the price difference between the two;
899 - $19,990aud excluding on road costs
1199 base - $26,990aud excluding on road costs

To me $7k is a lot of money and also I love the Pani in WHITE! :D :D
 
I won't go into your colour preferences.

But remember the 1199's SSSA is heavier than the 899's DSSA.
 

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