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Not doing too well is it? A bit surprising. Just saw the superpole results at Aragon.
Not really surprising; as Jared Earle at Motomatters put it, at Aragon, "fast beats agile". Checa said they've always struggled against the speed of the 4's there. Keep in mind Ducati are still running the 50mm intake restrictors from last year (compared to a stock 1199's 62mm equivalent). FIM's in-season "performance balancing" tech regs allow for a first step to 52mm, then to removal if that's not enough. The Pani engine depends on high rev breathing (big bore, big valves, etc.) for power, so it suffers more than the 1198 would on top. Remember the Pani went into design stage before the restrictions existed.
If they show enough of a performance deficit early in the season, they might get some relief from the rulemakers, and should. Better for all involved to have Ducati competitive rather than bogged down by rules. Still was quick enough for pole at PI and the bike was obviously good in the corners from watching Checa on it, but was down on speed there too.
By the way they don't run a twin in moto gp because they don't produce enough power to compete with a four at the same cc!
Not doing too well is it? A bit surprising. Just saw the superpole results at Aragon.
I have rope, cable ties and fuel ready. I'm just looking for the right tree.
A four cylinder will always be able to produce more power so why give the Ducati the air restriction? Thats right because it's been so successful in the past.
Restrictions only started with its dominance. Remember the extra weight they had to carry last year!
Two cylinders is not an advantage over four that's why the extra cc is allowed so cut the air restrictions.
IMHO
By the way they don't run a twin in moto gp because they don't produce enough power to compete with a four at the same cc!
Dont be so hard on the Pani.
BMW has been in constant WSBK development for how may years girls? since 2009. Kawasaki ZX10 since 2008 and the all too fast and very unreliable Aprilia since 2009.
If the dates are wrong they won't be out by much.
The unfair restrictions placed on the Ducati don't help, the restrictions should be based on horse power not cubic inches as it currently is.
Ducati is not the most successful brand in WSBK for no reason, just wait till the season is mid way before you make harsh judgements.
Have faith brethren.
The goal of any racing series is to make the playing field as level as possible for all competators. To answer your question "When's the [last] time you saw cars as evenly matched as superbikes are?" Every weekend the Grand Am Series races. In the GT class M3's, Camaro's and Rustangs are as competitive (if not more) than 911's, 458 Italias and DBS Aston Martins. My point is, the Pani should have been allowed to run unrestricted until it was deemed necessary to impose restrictions. I was under the impression before the season started that would be the case. I guess I was wrong.Ok I'm about to be tied to a tree and set on fire so here it goes:
Ducati has a cc advantage period
No the bike is not set to run well with the handicap it has but it's a choice
They don't run a twin in motogp because they would still be limited to the cc cap the same as everyone else (heck they limit it to 4 cylinders so no more hora v5)
When it was advantageous to run a twin in wsbk you saw more of them lined up with the ducati the RSV1000r, the TL1000r, the RC51 but these days all 3 of those companies run a 4 in one way or another.
To complain it should be based off hp someone else will say it should be based off torq
If we force all the bikes to be equal what do we do when someone shows up with an air cooled single and expects everyone else to acomidate them so they can be competitive.
No I don't think the rules benifit the twins right now and most of the 1000 4s arnt even at the 81mm bore that they have been allowed reach (something not allowed when ducati ran the 999) so when ducati made a bigger bike then forced wsbk to accept the bike obviously there would be rules.
No matter what it's never fair. Let the manufactures build to the rules it breeds better bikes for us.
When's the sat time you saw cars as evenly matched as superbikes are?
Sorry I was referring to how motorcycles build bikes to a specific cc and other restrictions so they conform to a racing series, cars especially the ones you mention use balancing to "even" things up while the mustang and Camaro and friends all try and shake it down after the fact, natural aspirated supercharges who knows I'm not getting specificThe goal of any racing series is to make the playing field as level as possible for all competators. To answer your question "When's the [last] time you saw cars as evenly matched as superbikes are?" Every weekend the Grand Am Series races. In the GT class M3's, Camaro's and Rustangs are as competitive (if not more) than 911's, 458 Italias and DBS Aston Martins. My point is, the Pani should have been allowed to run unrestricted until it was deemed necessary to impose restrictions. I was under the impression before the season started that would be the case. I guess I was wrong.