2025 Panigale New Owner Impression

randomwalker said:

won’t be street legal

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Does LE in Texas really care?

randomwalker said:

may open up the dash to evo modes

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If you're speaking to the dash messages when you first turn the key after having a race map installed, I think that stopped back with the EU5 (US 22+) bikes.

Yes, it eliminates the cat

It Is not road legal

But really dont feel comfortable paying 8900 dlls plus labor for an exhaust.

Really dont like the abuse.

But if this akra slip on, comes with a factory remap.

I will consider it

randomwalker said:

I’m leaning in this direction myself. Arrow also has something like this coming out in Feb. it’s my understanding that each will have an upmap. But not sure if these eliminate the cat. If so, they won’t be street legal and may open up the dash to evo modes, etc. will have to wait a bit and see.

Today I hit 600 miles and the check engine light came on immediately at 600 miles. No issues with rear brakes. Have booked service. Hope to track it soon.

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Arrow is out already, but its only with one sided muffler, -1000 than Acra

I dont like the look of the new akra slip on. Looks like a cheap slip on. Can you still install the 21' short akra race full exhaust on the 25 panigale? Probably not anymore? Thats what i have it looks good, was done by the shop without additional installation costs (normal for me at 5k the exhaust) i remember the slip only was costing barely 1.5k less than the full system back in 21

RODOLFO said:

Yes, it eliminates the cat

It Is not road legal

But really dont feel comfortable paying 8900 dlls plus labor for an exhaust.

Really dont like the abuse.

But if this akra slip on, comes with a factory remap.

I will consider it

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You got a 30k+ bike they know you want to keep your warranty so they charge an extra premium
On the other hand I really dont want to have the bike iverheating due to the catalhst thats why i got the race exhaust

The overpriced exhaust has nothing to do with owners wanting to maintain a warranty.

RODOLFO said:

Does anyone know

Of the new akra SLIP ON, the one that is like 3,800 dlls, comes with a factory tune? Or nothing ?

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No tune on this one, yet.

if anyone wants to sell me their stock exhaust, please PM me

OP, at the opportunity please snap a photo of melted brake line and sensor wire. I recon this is an assembly issue more than likely and hopefully not a full recall for many bikes. As mentioned, your rear sensor was functioning properly as any malfunction of the speed sensors (wire, sensor itself or even minute bent/ding in the sensor wheel itself) will cause major electronic errors (traction, ABS, etc). It is pretty drastic for the engine heat to be melting brake line to the point of failure though, I'd almost expect brake fluid to get so hot and expand before it happens causing rear brake to engage. I find it strange not seeing brake fluid leak, it is not a large volume for sure, but I'd expect some mess due to a raptured line.

The following holds true:
- New major revamp models are likely to have more issues in the first year and as a result number of recalls. Unfortunately, this is to be expected, and patience is key here.
- Cat needs to go on these high perf bikes with associated tune (I largely prefer factory tunes unless not an option; lean maps run hotter). It is a major source of heat and PITA for manufacturers to comply.
- Engine heat will be felt on legs with Panigale V4, especially in hot climate. Leather and not riding in ...... traffic helps. Nothing new here.
- My M1000XR has not had a single issue in current 9000 miles and I ride it hard in the mountains, but no track days. Despite some of the "engine failure chatter" on tubes, I gotta say BMW is more reliable than Ducati and KTM in my experience.
- I love the new SF V4 from the information that was made available about it.

If I were buying one of these i would not change the exhaust until the bike has been broken in and mercilessly flogged for say 2000-3000 miles. Most of any issues should show up by then. Don't give them any reason to deny the warranty. these are really expensive to fix. The cost of the factory approved exhaust is a joke. Ducati's raping Akra while their struggling to stay afloat.

baggerman said:

If I were buying one of these i would not change the exhaust until the bike has been broken in and mercilessly flogged for say 2000-3000 miles. Most of any issues should show up by then. Don't give them any reason to deny the warranty. these are really expensive to fix. The cost of the factory approved exhaust is a joke. Ducati's raping Akra while their struggling to stay afloat.

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OEM upgrade parts, particularly installed by the dealer will not deny warranty - period, but following recommended break-in procedures in manual is wise. 10Gs for installed exhaust is quite insane, but then again this is the hottest superbike on the market, and they will be charging premium and pricing in their racing success. Plenty of options out there to spend money, if this is not acceptable. I personally like the new SF and although never been a "slip-on guy", I may do just that if I were to get that bike. Performance isn't that far off from the full system, and I can appreciate $6000 "savings".

It appears Spark has a full system for the 2025 Panigale. I’d wait for that before spending any money on a Ducati/Akrapovic system. It isn’t listed on Spark’s website yet, but Termi has tunes for them listed.

UPDATE: the following email came in today Jan 3 2025 around 2:30 PM. Any idea what compensation packages Ducati has offered in the past? I’m glad Ducati is taking it seriously, because complete brake failure is a serious defect. I’m still tolling the days the bike as been in the shop. To date 14 days. :

“Hello ——-,

I hope this email finds you well. I just wanted to give you an update about the repair status of your motorcycle. We understand that the issue that you experienced is critical, and as of now, we can inform you that we will be replacing all of the defective components and all necessary parts have been ordered. Our technical service team will also be providing some preventative measures to the dealer to ensure a proper reparation. We have also forwarded all information regarding your case to our engineering team in Italy for review with the highest urgency. The engineering team will be returning from their winter break next week so we can expect things to move quicker upon their return.

We are very sorry for the inconvenience caused and we are open for discussion regarding providing you with a compensation package nearing the completion of the repair.

Thank you for your understanding and patience.

Kind regards,

Winston W.

Client Service Manager

Ducati North America”


Below is a conversation I was having with the technicians at Pro-Italia in Glendale was texting with me in the morning before the email from Ducati North America was sent :

—— with Pro Italia, Good morning I am back today, I heard you called and I will get you an answer as soon as —— gets it, from the looks of it I say its almost done, I saw your bike on the lift with all the new parts in and replaced, some stuff is loose so I'll get back to you ASAP

Me: Great! Will you save the parts?

Pro Italia: For warranty yes we have too if he hasn't already sent them back as they do request parts at times

—— with P.I sorry so it turns out that was not new parts on the bike, he just cleaned everything up as it made a mess, he will have it done and tested by tomorrow I will give you an update later today

Me: Can you tell me more about that?

Pro-Italia: if you mean the cleaning, when he first confirmed it had no pressure he flush and added new fluid and saw pressure was not holding and it was just pooling because of the line rip he had cleaned it that same day so when I saw it this morning I was like it looks clean but I was mistaken and he had only put it on his lift because he is going to work on it today, so nothing has been replaced yet

Me: Oh crazy. Is the speed sensor wire still melted?

Pro-italia: not sure if that was the cause of it but it is also getting replaced

Pro italia: —— with Pro Italia, so hey so far so good, —- is doing the finishing touches he is planning on test driving it in the morning and it should all be good, I over heard Ducati wanted him to add an extra heat shield so please bare with us and Regardless I will update you tomorrow morning

Sounds like they are dealing with it well.

I would ask them to send you all the duc part no. of the items they are getting approval for to replace. That way you can clearly identify what is 100% brand new. This is a safety thing, and could potentially be fatal. I would be extremely stringent and vigilant just to ensure they are not just bolting on replacement parts and telling you to go ride.

I had a clutch bolt that fell out into the basket of my clutch and locked my rear wheel because the bolt was completely chewed and seized between the clutch plates. Honestly, I would have also died that day.

jackyff8 said:

I would ask them to send you all the duc part no. of the items they are getting approval for to replace. That way you can clearly identify what is 100% brand new. This is a safety thing, and could potentially be fatal. I would be extremely stringent and vigilant just to ensure they are not just bolting on replacement parts and telling you to go ride.

I had a clutch bolt that fell out into the basket of my clutch and locked my rear wheel because the bolt was completely chewed and seized between the clutch plates. Honestly, I would have also died that day.

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Good call. I’ll push to keep Ducati accountable. I don’t agree with some of the respondents in this thread that us consumers should expect and accept mechanical failure as a norm for certain brands.

Sometimes things happen though – I doubt there are many products that have never had issues. It’s early days, but this appears to be an isolated instance at present.

spooky said:

Sometimes things happen though – I doubt there are many products that have never had issues. It’s early days, but this appears to be an isolated instance at present.

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Fair point.

jackyff8 said:

I would ask them to send you all the duc part no. of the items they are getting approval for to replace. That way you can clearly identify what is 100% brand new. This is a safety thing, and could potentially be fatal. I would be extremely stringent and vigilant just to ensure they are not just bolting on replacement parts and telling you to go ride.

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Come on, do not exagerate. On my side, I had some Aprilias and Ducatis before 2012, then 100% Panigales since the first one (2012), and I have a freind buying MV Augustas : I can tell that, then, 100% Italian bikes had this issue of rear break disappearing, whatever you try to fix it. But no safety issue.

But things finally change, and my Panigale V4 '22 is my first Italian bike not having that issue any more (my Panigale V4 '18 still had the issue), and that's just great when I want to remove my rear rim alone !

By the way, having such issue on Panigale V4 '25 is critical : not for safety, but just for all the marketing around this bike. It is supposed to be easier, and among the means to that, the automatic rear break. And I bought it for that. So getting back to initial issues would not be acceptable !

But I am confident :
- I found several historical issues robustly solved on my V4 '18, then others on my V4'22 ;
- ZERO rear break issue on my previous V4 '22 : they found the solution, and for sure they implemented it on our V4 '25 : so, at this point, I think (hope) your issue is an assembly incident.

Update, the bike should be ready for pick up on Tuesday. I’ll definitely add pictures, etc. really hoping that this is the only problem it’ll ever have! The next step is to add the new rage cycles, feral eliminator, and I’m thinking a new slip on exhaust and the carbon fiber wings. They said that I could look at the parts.