She rises again

Wow! That motor just runs out of revs at max power. Looks like it would still be pullin if it had another 1 or 2k in rpms. Very nice increase from baseline too. Should be extremely fun!

I asked him to tune it for pump...I'll confirm-

G-Yep, red Quicksilver....

Glad to hear you're back in business.

GK1199R said:

Complete ......... DNA should be ....... ashamed of themselves. This isn't a Monster that was rev'd to the moon at a trackday and blew up. It's a superbike designed for the track and marketed as such!!! I love this brand but if that were me I'd be shopping for an aprilia right now...


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So....How many track hours did the original engine have on it?

I agree with you completely if this was an occasional track day bike that is mostly ridden on the street.
Now, if this is a bike that has more than 40-60 hours of track time at high rpm's, then I would agree with DNA
BTW....Even Aprilia Racing says to tear down their engines after 40 hours of racing on their superstock bikes which use mostly stock internals as required by class rules.

RACING is RACING! Whether you doing a track days or doing it professionally.... .... WILL break!... Enter at your own risk and to the level your checkbook can afford.

MMC ...Glad your back up and running. I also want to say I respect you for being a stand up guy and being honest. That is what people do if you have INTEGRITY!

Have fun, be safe and hopefully any future mishaps be not so expensive $$!!

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MMC ...Glad your back up and running. I also want to say I respect you for being a stand up guy and being honest. That is what people do if you have INTEGRITY!

Have fun, be safe and hopefully any future mishaps be not so expensive $$!!

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Agree with MMC having the honesty and awesomeness.

but your argument is a fallacy in the discussion since it involves dealers and Ducati NA.

So are you saying:

Since ALL dealers and Ducati NA have integrity, Therefore, each one of us should be honest to the dealer?

Awesome news dude.. Glad you got her back. Hope to find out this week or next the fate of mine..

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So....How many track hours did the original engine have on it?

I agree with you completely if this was an occasional track day bike that is mostly ridden on the street.
Now, if this is a bike that has more than 40-60 hours of track time at high rpm's, then I would agree with DNA
BTW....Even Aprilia Racing says to tear down their engines after 40 hours of racing on their superstock bikes which use mostly stock internals as required by class rules.

RACING is RACING! Whether you doing a track days or doing it professionally.... .... WILL break!... Enter at your own risk and to the level your checkbook can afford.

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I can agree with you there somewhat but not completely. But it may not be as black and white as that.

What is difference of going hard on canyon on a "street" riding vs below?

I dont ride my R on street because I just dont think its good for street riding and I use it for the track. Maybe once a month in a B+ group with relatively medium acceleration. I would say I'm a middle or little slower of the B+group.

but yeah if I was using for a club race for competitive environment...I feel that it is up to me to fix it if I break it.

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MMC, sorry for going off topic.

If you could post some pic with the group at track that will be awesome and any photos of your engine? You going to Thunderhill or Laguna? I signed up for few this year.

Riding with Pridmore in April...then hope to be at T-hill in May. June up at The Ridge again and for the summer. Rickdiculous is at T-Hill in early May...then Keigwin's is 22nd I think...we'll see!

I can't remember hours...2-3 days at the track per month since June of '15....

youngR said:

Agree with MMC having the honesty and awesomeness.

but your argument is a fallacy in the discussion since it involves dealers and Ducati NA.

So are you saying:

Since ALL dealers and Ducati NA have integrity, Therefore, each one of us should be honest to the dealer?

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Looks like your playing a game of connect the dots....People with integrity never flip/flop. They don't lie or bend the truth in order to skew an outcome to their favor. You present the facts and let them speak for themselves...if it all falls within the limits of the warranty then your golden... Sometimes it is painful road but that is how you earn respect.

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Riding with Pridmore in April...then hope to be at T-hill in May. June up at The Ridge again and for the summer. Rickdiculous is at T-Hill in early May...then Keigwin's is 22nd I think...we'll see!

I can't remember hours...2-3 days at the track per month since June of '15....

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ok. hopefully run into you.

Laguna
4/29

I'm doing T East
4/9
6/19 (school)
6/20 (school)
7/3
7/4
8/26
8/27
9/18
9/19

and some in october and november

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I can agree with you there somewhat but not completely. But it may not be as black and white as that.

What is difference of going hard on canyon on a "street" riding vs below?

I dont ride my R on street because I just dont think its good for street riding and I use it for the track. Maybe once a month in a B+ group with relatively medium acceleration. I would say I'm a middle or little slower of the B+group.

but yeah if I was using for a club race for competitive environment...I feel that it is up to me to fix it if I break it.

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BIG difference in riding on canyon roads or on the street with street rubber and the stresses imposed on the bike. The sheer level of G forces while accelerating, decelerating and cornering at the limits of control with race rubber are way higher when riding on the track..It's all about the math and physics....

Everything made has a max level of strength/durability. You can get away with exceeding those limits sometimes but repeated cycles near the limit will cause any part to eventually fail. When riding on the the street you only occasionally reach those levels. When doing track days in the expert class you are near or hitting the mechanical limits all the time....

Sorry...I didn't mean to hijack the thread.

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So....How many track hours did the original engine have on it?

I agree with you completely if this was an occasional track day bike that is mostly ridden on the street.
Now, if this is a bike that has more than 40-60 hours of track time at high rpm's, then I would agree with DNA
BTW....Even Aprilia Racing says to tear down their engines after 40 hours of racing on their superstock bikes which use mostly stock internals as required by class rules.

RACING is RACING! Whether you doing a track days or doing it professionally.... .... WILL break!... Enter at your own risk and to the level your checkbook can afford.

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Doesn't ducati put mileage limits on its warranties? You could flog these bikes harder on the street than the next guy does on the track and as long as you are in the warranty the engine work is covered. It's piss poor representation when you sell a bike as a track weapon and then you don't stand behind a warranty. The R is specifically sold with a racing exhaust option that's packaged with the bike and labeled for off road use only. Installing such exhaust does not void the warranty knowing that it's not intended for street use. There are 100 ways ducati has represented this as a track bike. Anyone have a manufacturers warranty they can reference to see if there is a clause in it that on track activities void the warranty?


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Doesn't ducati put mileage limits on its warranties? You could flog these bikes harder on the street than the next guy does on the track and as long as you are in the warranty the engine work is covered. It's piss poor representation when you sell a bike as a track weapon and then you don't stand behind a warranty. The R is specifically sold with a racing exhaust option that's packaged with the bike and labeled for off road use only. Installing such exhaust does not void the warranty knowing that it's not intended for street use. There are 100 ways ducati has represented this as a track bike. Anyone have a manufacturers warranty they can reference to see if there is a clause in it that on track activities void the warranty?


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Also, link below, Ducati NA CEO says himself, these bikes are made for track and should be use at the track to have full experience... lol.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/videos/w/watch/bloomberg-video-ducati-unleashes-us80000-1299-superleggera

Confirmed...pump gas-

I've been over the warranty thing as a "live and learn," but I think I'll put some of these references together and send a nice letter to DNA....

Moreso just excited for what we've built now!

MMC said:

Confirmed...pump gas-

I've been over the warranty thing as a "live and learn," but I think I'll put some of these references together and send a nice letter to DNA....

Moreso just excited for what we've built now!

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yes for sure. That is a awesome engine. I be scared to ride!

MMC said:

Confirmed...pump gas-

I've been over the warranty thing as a "live and learn," but I think I'll put some of these references together and send a nice letter to DNA....

Moreso just excited for what we've built now!

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Yeah it's a bittersweet situation. Pissed you had to spend the money but now look what you got!!! [emoji79]


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Milepost said:

Looks like your playing a game of connect the dots....People with integrity never flip/flop. They don't lie or bend the truth in order to skew an outcome to their favor. You present the facts and let them speak for themselves...if it all falls within the limits of the warranty then your golden... Sometimes it is painful road but that is how you earn respect.

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this is why no one respects the dealer, a lot of issues should fall within the limit of the warranty, especially if they advertise the bike as "Race-bred, start to finish. Born to race, the new Panigale R brings a thrill to the track."

I don't want the thrill to be the emptying of my wallet

GK1199R said:

Doesn't ducati put mileage limits on its warranties? You could flog these bikes harder on the street than the next guy does on the track and as long as you are in the warranty the engine work is covered. It's piss poor representation when you sell a bike as a track weapon and then you don't stand behind a warranty. The R is specifically sold with a racing exhaust option that's packaged with the bike and labeled for off road use only. Installing such exhaust does not void the warranty knowing that it's not intended for street use. There are 100 ways ducati has represented this as a track bike. Anyone have a manufacturers warranty they can reference to see if there is a clause in it that on track activities void the warranty?


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I can see your point! However in a court of law you would still probably lose....

If you rode your "R" legally on US roads then you could never ever get close to those limits. Flogging the" R" hard on the the street can get you a huge fine, land you in jail and probably lose your license if your caught. Ducati and all the sport bike manufacturers know that you probably won't temp fate too often and bet on the numbers that you will get past the time/ miles set forth in the warranty before something major breaks.

BTW ..I should have lost my license many times over in the past but I'm just saying it's a moot point to a judge.

From my experience in the past IF you keep your bike completely stock and/or only use the factory performance parts installed by the dealer then your okay. Once you do a custom tune and/or use aftermarket parts or have someone else install the parts, (including yourself) then the manufacturer is off the hook. If an original part was found to be defective or showed poor workmanship and it caused a failure your covered. Also look at the fine print of the factory performance part instructions as I have seen it mentioned that since the part is "Intended for closed course competition use only" it will void your warranty on the assy it is attached to. In other words if you blow a fork seal but let's say did an aftermarket tune and exhaust then the fork seal is still covered. Spin a bearing or drop a valve on the same bike and your on your own...Now if the dealer installed the factory DP exhaust with included tune then you might have a leg to stand on.

Best advise I can give is to develop a good rapport with your dealer and ask ahead of time if you add a major performance part how will it affect your warranty.

Marketing hype seldom ever stands up in court though....They all do it but it won't hold water legally.

As for me I'm going to mod the hell out of my new bike regardless....Hope to meet some you at the ridge.

Ya know...Maybe we should start a warranty thread and then make it a sticky.

GK1199R said:

Yeah it's a bittersweet situation. Pissed you had to spend the money but now look what you got!!! [emoji79]


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Agreed! Very nice build!!