Shinko???

zvez · Apr 11, 2013

I'm really surprised no other tire companies have come out with street tires for the pani.

As I recall these supercorsas are also fitted to the aprilia rsv4 factory. (not the standard r which gets the 190).

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

zvez said:
I'm really surprised no other tire companies have come out with street tires for the pani.

As I recall these supercorsas are also fitted to the aprilia rsv4 factory. (not the standard r which gets the 190).

They are fairly new in terms of demand/a niche size for street bikes I think, I would expect to see more sizes offered in due time as they gain popularity.

zvez · Apr 11, 2013

but this size has been on the ape factory since 2010. Of course even all the panis and all the factories, is not a tremendous number of bikes. I imagine most of the Japanese liter bikes will move up to the 200s, just like the move from the 180 to the 190..........

TransNone13 said:
They are fairly new in terms of demand/a niche size for street bikes I think, I would expect to see more sizes offered in due time as they gain popularity.

rm4two · Apr 11, 2013

zvez said:
I'm really surprised no other tire companies have come out with street tires for the pani.

As I recall these supercorsas are also fitted to the aprilia rsv4 factory. (not the standard r which gets the 190).

I believe they're fitted to the HP4 as well?

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

zvez said:
but this size has been on the ape factory since 2010. Of course even all the panis and all the factories, is not a tremendous number of bikes. I imagine most of the Japanese liter bikes will move up to the 200s, just like the move from the 180 to the 190..........

I don't believe the Japanese bikes will move up to 200s soon or without something like a RCV or special production. They are very good at efficiency and cost savings; the benefits vs cost for throwing a 200 OE tire on a sport bike are minimal to the majority of riders, especially those only on the street.

Kuroshio · Apr 11, 2013

rm4two said:
I believe they're fitted to the HP4 as well?

They are. BMW lists 4 tires compatible for the HP4 and the Pirelli is the only 200 / 55.

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

Kuroshio said:
They are. BMW lists 4 tires compatible for the HP4 and the Pirelli is the only 200 / 55.

In the same spirit that Ducati said only to use Perelli.

DucSyd · Apr 11, 2013

Guys, remember these Pirelli tyres were designed with Ducati for the Panigale and all the software is written around them. Ducati will not even allow the bike to be tested with other brands, so I guess at this point it seems the safer bet to stay with the Pirelli's, with except for quick wear and poor wet performance are fine by me.

Also, Pirelli are the tyre used in World Super Bike, so you would think they know what they are doing.

Just my 20c

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

DucSyd said:
Guys, remember these Pirelli tyres were designed with Ducati for the Panigale and all the software is written around them. Ducati will not even allow the bike to be tested with other brands, so I guess at this point it seems the safer bet to stay with the Pirelli's, with except for quick wear and poor wet performance are fine by me.

Also, Pirelli are the tyre used in World Super Bike, so you would think they know what they are doing.

Just my 20c

How much do you think they paid for those rights?

Ducati Dreams · Apr 11, 2013

Sport rider did a comparison test of varying street tires, Shinko was among them. I think tire tests are somewhat subjective but they have some good info.

2012 Street Tire Test - Sport Rider Magazine

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

Ducati Dreams said:
Sport rider did a comparison test of varying street tires, Shinko was among them. I think tire tests are somewhat subjective but they have some good info.

2012 Street Tire Test - Sport Rider Magazine

Yeah, read that issue. Not confidence inspiring:

Shinko 010 Apex
Kunitsugu: CBR600RR Adams: GSX-R1000
General 6.4 6.3
Braking 6.5 6.3
Traction 5.9 5.6
Steering 5.2 5.2

Read more: 2012 Street Tire Test - Sport Rider Magazine

Considering their low prices, we really wanted to like the Shinkos, but as Bradley stated, “The amount of effort the tires require simply sucks the fun out of a twisty road.” While the Shinkos are definitely cheaper than the name brands, we’re not so sure the savings are worth it.

Read more: http://www.sportrider.com/gear/146_1212_2012_street_tire_test/viewall.html#ixzz2QCU3ng19

elitesoldier357 · Apr 11, 2013

I would like to know the difference (fit, grip, and contact) between the 180, 190 and 200. Besides the size itself. What is the main difference and to anyone who has fitted a 190, what were the results? I know a few track riders here have switched. I understand it effects traction control slightly because of the pulses are slightly higher.

On another note, Continental has a 200/55 as well that they came out with not long ago. Continental Sport Attack 2 Tires - RevZilla

Supercorsa SP Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP Rear Tires - RevZilla

Supercorsa SP V2 Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP V2 Rear Tire - RevZilla

What about changing rim size to a 50 instead of 55? Better to go with a 190/55 or a 200/50? A lot of companies make a 190/55 and 200/50 on top of this, including Bridgestone, Dunlop, Michelin, etc. I would like to find something cheaper than the Supercorsa for street use.

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

Is it worth it? Those are only $20 less than the CUPs for the rear and are OE for the '12 S1000RR. I'd be hard pressed to jump ship on Michelin. The

Ducati Dreams · Apr 11, 2013

What about changing rim size to a 50 instead of 55? Better to go with a 190/55 or a 200/50? A lot of companies make a 190/55 and 200/50 on top of this, including Bridgestone, Dunlop, Michelin, etc. I would like to find something cheaper than the Supercorsa for street use.[/QUOTE]

A 190/50 or 200/50 will just have a slightly slower turn in rate as compared to a 55. As for other effects, like TC, I don't think anyone will really know until they experiment with a particular tire and post their findings.

Running a size other than 200/55 is not going to make the bike suddenly fall over and burst into flames, so I would just try it, especially if you are riding a lot of commuting miles.

elitesoldier357 · Apr 11, 2013

Ducati Dreams said:
What about changing rim size to a 50 instead of 55? Better to go with a 190/55 or a 200/50? A lot of companies make a 190/55 and 200/50 on top of this, including Bridgestone, Dunlop, Michelin, etc. I would like to find something cheaper than the Supercorsa for street use.

A 190/50 or 200/50 will just have a slightly slower turn in rate as compared to a 55. As for other effects, like TC, I don't think anyone will really know until they experiment with a particular tire and post their findings.

Running a size other than 200/55 is not going to make the bike suddenly fall over and burst into flames, so I would just try it, especially if you are riding a lot of commuting miles.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info! I would like to try something that is not nearly as expensive as the Supercorsa, say maybe the Q2. One of the guys on the forum tested a 190/55 I believe and he found that the bike acted more like it was in DTC 2 when in DTC 3. It had a little more slip in it. All you have to do to counteract that of course is set your DTC a little higher.

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

elitesoldier357 said:
A 190/50 or 200/50 will just have a slightly slower turn in rate as compared to a 55. As for other effects, like TC, I don't think anyone will really know until they experiment with a particular tire and post their findings.

Running a size other than 200/55 is not going to make the bike suddenly fall over and burst into flames, so I would just try it, especially if you are riding a lot of commuting miles.

Thanks for the info! I would like to try something that is not nearly as expensive as the Supercorsa, say maybe the Q2. One of the guys on the forum tested a 190/55 I believe and he found that the bike acted more like it was in DTC 2 when in DTC 3. It had a little more slip in it. All you have to do to counteract that of course is set your DTC a little higher.

Bottom line though, we managed to ride without TC. We should all be fine, even if we have to disable it. I've had no hiccups with the ONE/CUP's.

elitesoldier357 · Apr 11, 2013

TransNone13 said:
Bottom line though, we managed to ride without TC. We should all be fine, even if we have to disable it. I've had no hiccups with the ONE/CUP's.

On street or track?

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

elitesoldier357 said:
On street or track?

Both, here's one good write up I found:

http://www.socalmoto.org/forum/showpost.php?p=666796&postcount=1

More (5 wins in 1 day completing 80 laps on same set):

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5501403&postcount=1

Dave said the new Cups are on par with the Dunlop UK Ntecs (for those of you who have used Ntecs, that is a very good compliment). The Ntecs are great tires...but they are also almost $600 per set...which is why I swapped to the Michelins. I can ride on tires that are just as good (if not better) for hundreds less, so the decision was a no-brainer for me.

elitesoldier357 · Apr 11, 2013

Where can I find these?

TransNone13 · Apr 11, 2013

elitesoldier357 said:
Where can I find these?

David Hirsch is a boss:

Welcome to Island Racing Services! Sales and Service of Michelin Motorcycle Tires, Road Racing and High Performance

I know this will be a huge post, but it is useful. Unfortunately, only the CUPs/Ones have a 200/55 rear ATM (I'd love a Power 3 or Supersport). But I included their lineup so you can see how the CUPs compare.

CUP Pattern w/ 5% tread pattern (85%/15% Track/Street or something like that...):

CUP tread materials:

More info:

http://www.sportbiketireservice.com/Michelin-Power-Cup-Rear.html

The rest:

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